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image caption: A Microsoft Windows screen showing "Active Hours" with start time set to 12 AM and end time set to 12 AM and an error that says "Choose an end time that's no more than 18 hours from the start time".

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[–] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You know. It's interesting. I've been trying out Debian 12 with KDE Plasma. It actually has been a joy and feels like what Windows 11 should have grown into, had Microsoft actually been designing software with the customer in mind.

...but then there have been times where things so easily critically break until you fix them. Don't get me wrong. I'll go mess with kernel code if I have to, so I'm comfortable, but... I just want my computer to work. Windows, for all its shittiness, still keeps working through it like a slow cargo train pushing through a park piled in millions of pancakes.

I had one event the other day where I was installing a Snap app for the first time. Decided rather than installing the Snap package manager because I wanted to avoid Canonical if possible, I'd just manually put it in /opt. Figured out how to edit the KDE "start" menu to add the app using the included GUI tool. Wanted to use the app's icon. The snap app had an icon embedded in it that Dolphin file manager recognized and displayed.

So I went, "ok, sometimes applications can parse out images from binary files. I've seen this work for decades," so I tell the menu editor to ingest the snap binary for the icon, to see if it will scrape the icon. No icon showed up, so I found a a svg online and assigned that to the icon.

Then I went and saved and launched another application.

GUI slowly started not working and eventually the entire OS locked, even the alt text consoles would not load. Ctrl+alt+backspace was dead, caps lock died, which was when I knew, "he's dead, Jim."

Tried rebooting, tried launching that program again, (bearing in mind, not the program I manually added to the "start" menu) and every time the whole OS freezes up. Tried launching apps in different order, launching from command line, etc. When the one app launched that wasn't the one I created a launcher icon for, same thing. Freeze. (It is possible that the bug is in fact time-based or boot-sequence-based, and since I was trying to reproduce the bug rapidly, the other app had nothing to do with it.)

I go remove the start menu link, hoping that, what I assumed was part of Plasma was trying to load this binary as an icon even though it should have checked the file, recognized it as "no I can't parse this," and done nothing or displayed an error or parsed it and showed the icon. Especially after I assigned it another image. I just hoped whatever screwed up would be connected to the code executing that app launcher icon config, and deleting the config for that application would delete whatever mess that was created, and hopefully was created discretely.

Shit you not, the computer became rock solid stable again after that and one more reboot. Hasn't glitched since.

It's shit like that that makes me proooobably give up on this experiment and end up on a commercial OS like MacOS again despite the cost and downward trend they are also suffering in a lack of innovative energy.

[–] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

With respect, you can screw up Windows by doing things in a non-standard way too. That's not the fault of the OS.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Apples to oranges. Generally you can fix what you did wrong in windows. In Linux good luck.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 months ago

You can fix what you did wrong in Linux. People are just less used to troubleshooting Linux problems than Windows problems because they've used Windows more, by and large

[–] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Are you literally here to proclaim that Windows is the better OS because Linux gives you the freedom to screw it up?

My brother in computing, that's on you if you're having problems with fixing problems you've caused in Linux. As a former professional system admin, I've run into issues with Windows that Microsoft's own support team could not figure out and had to refund their fee. I have never, not once, had an issue in Linux that I couldn't fix or find someone who knows how.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I would use Linux more if:

1: I could host my desktop with Parsec (client support exists, but not host support).

2: Sunshine/Moonlight actually worked, as an alternative. It is broken and janky and isn't a substitute. I've tried. A lot.

3: I could wirelessly link my Quest 2. VR support is a hot mess and I'm still waiting for a solution to wirelessly link my Quest 2 in linux that actually works and doesn't require a month of programming a solution myself.

4: Better compatibility with some stuff. Proton gaming works most of the time, but not for the titles I play.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The only way to stop having an abusive relationship with your computer is to ditch the OS for something that isn't Microsoft.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

my next laptop is going to be a thinkpad as soon as i save up. :)

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A questionable chinese company laptop...

[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As opposed to:

  1. Calling your neighbourhood tech bro with a nanoscale fab for a RISK-V CPU
  2. Sourcing laptop parts from nearby manufacturers providing full schematics
  3. Designing your own cooling setup to match all the component sizes
  4. Machining your own enclosure and assembling it al yourself

We're not there yet. I'm still dreaming.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

lenovo is legendary for pulling proprietary designs out of standards - meaning something as simple as your graphics card drivers are now beholden to how long lenovo supports the laptop and no further... what wifi adapter you put in, because slapping an intel card isn't a thing you can do without the firmware going "ah NOPE you must have a genuine®️ lenovo™️ wifi adapter to boot this machine!" ... and then there's the soldiered on 4-8 GB RAM, which definitely won't fail and require a whole mobo replacement...

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The real solution is to set it so it starts just before you are supposed to wake up, and ends 6 hours before that. That gives you the active hours as intended, and it won't reboot the system in the middle of work ever again.

[–] jcg@halubilo.social 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Doing this gives big bow to the machine energy for me, I don't like it.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The whole point of this option existing is to keep the system from auto install/reboot in the middle of work. You're telling the machine when it's not okay to do this... so you're the one in control.

[–] jcg@halubilo.social 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I wouldn't say I'm in control per se when I don't have the option to just do the update whenever I feel like it. I'm in control the same way a prisoner is in control of whether or not they eat that day by just not eating. Like, put it behind a giant bold unmissable piece of text that says "IF YOU DO THIS YOU ARE PUTTING YOUR MACHINE AT RISK AND HACKERS WILL IMMEDIATELY STEAL ALL YOUR MONEY" but don't make it so it's impossible for me to do without some workaround.