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[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No

People aren't machines and don't weigh data the way machines do.

It's more like this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_theory

Than this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_choice_theory

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Would that equate loss to a guilty person getting away over convicting an innocent person? Not sure if I'm expressing this great but I mean like people would be naturally and organically aligned with a reluctance to convict that is compatible with presumption of innocence and the proof beyond a reasonable doubt standard?

Like "better a 1000 guilty people walk than a single innocent be wrongly convicted"

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think whoever framed the presumption of innocence and proof beyond a reasonable doubt felt that way.

Jurors themselves are complicated. Some people are racist, some people are just hateful, some people respect authority so much that they'll just believe whatever the district attorney says. All of these conditions can create a situation where the jury won't reach consensus easily .

And pretty much everybody just wants to get back to brunch and taking care of their families.

I think what you are speaking to is values. What I'm talking about is emotions as they are felt in the moment and how those will affect a jury's outcome.

Hence people are not computers.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Emotions are just local variables 😅

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Noise in a RNG. Hungry, more likely to give into majority opinion so I can get back to brunch!

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

The term you're looking for is crowdsourcing.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'll just throw this into the mix: the so-called "wisdom of crowds". I'm not sure if it really applies to juries. But I think the idea that a group of people will be smarter and less biased (or their biases will cancel each other out) is a common notion. It also dilutes the feeling of individual responsibility to some degree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The wisdom of crowds only works when the inputs are independent.

People are meaningfully biased to conform to group opinions.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Juries are older than computing.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Next post: "Are abacuses a form of human power computing or something?"

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I dont think im that predictable 🥸

In Soviet Russia, abacus counts you!

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

*digital computing. A computer used to be a job, not a machine. A job mostly done by women

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When was the for automated loop (iterating) invented?

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 1 points 1 month ago

Humans aren't turing machines, that question is irrelevant to the conversation

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Juries are a way to say even the idiots believe X. There's enough people on juries that 1 or 2 will refuse to believe the facts and evidence staring them in the face, getting a unanimous verdict requires skill or having a very persuasive juror.