Shitting the bed without a path forward isn’t clever. It’s just petty whining.
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Calling your own voters bed-shitters, bed-wetters, whiners, etc. isn't helping
Biden needs to fuck off. He’s going to lose us the Republic.
You see it. I see it. Jon Stewart sees it since forever.
The shills on Lemmy and other places like gaslighting. A lot.
Honestly, I hate the situation, but I haven’t heard any compelling arguments for alternatives.
By compelling, I don’t mean appealing. I’d love for any number of other candidates to just swap in. But because the U.S. got “Weekend at Bernie’d”, and primaries were held (with no realistic opposition candidates), or cancelled in the case of Florida and Delaware, and the dates for holding a primary have passed in every state, I just… don’t see how another candidate can be swapped in.*
And I know that John Stewart specifically called out other nations who were able to call entire elections within a few months, but the U.S. electoral system just doesn’t ‘do’ that. The focus on states rights means that every state has its own laws that are fairly rigid and cannot be overridden by the federal government. And even if the states could be overridden - well, I guess I don’t know if it’s possible for the federal government to do that.
I don’t believe I’ve ever heard of that suggestion as being even a remote possibility. I’m left with the belief that it is not legally permissible.
In fact - the Heritage Foundation said they would mount legal challenges to prevent this from occurring - but only in certain states. It’s very likely those challenges could not be resolved before the election, which would lead to at least two Democratic Party candidates, and certain defeat for both of them. The only way that Biden could drop out is if the states that have laws prohibiting candidate changes repeal or modify them, and that itself might be the subject of lawsuits.
*The only way I see for Biden to drop out and not ensure certain defeat is to die. That’s the only path I can think of that’s workable.
If I truly believe that Trump will end democracy and I must do everything I can to prevent his election - even if it compromises my better judgment and morals, and I know that Biden will not use the powers he was just granted to ensure that Trump is brought to justice before he can assume dictatorial powers, then… well, what’s the option but to be a shill? That’s not a rhetorical question. I legitimately feel trapped and hopeless by this shitty system, and I cannot see a way out.
I feel like I’m damned if I do, and damned if I don’t.
The only state which was a risk was Ohio, which already amended its rule for this year to allow the selection after the dem convention. There is no legal problem here, the dems simply need to choose a new candidate at their convention.
That’s the problem with the patchwork of laws.
Ohio has a law that says the candidates must be declared by August 9th, but the DNC isn’t until after that. (But Ohio cleared the way for that, as you noted.)
Nevada, however, requires that the political parties submit their candidates when the state convention is held by a given party, and does not seem to have an actual cut-off date.
Each major political party shall, at the state convention of the major political party held in that year, select from the qualified electors who are legally registered members of the major political party: (a) A nominee to the position of presidential elector; and (b) An alternate to the nominee for presidential elector.
I’m actually somewhat confused on this one - the Democratic Nevada convention was May 18th, but the article I posted above says their cut-off was June 28th. Both dates have passed, mind you. But I wonder where the June 28th date came from.
The deadline for Georgia was July 9th - yesterday.
My information for both Nevada and Georgia came from Ballotpedia. The page also notes that many states have their filing deadlines before the DNC, but it’s my understanding that the Democratic Party plans to deal with this by nominating him via conference call in advance of these deadlines - so I think the clock is about a month shorter than people may consider, when looking at the date of the DNC.
I don’t know why the first article I posted mentions Wisconsin. I think you’re right - if Biden withdraws and releases his delegates before the nomination deadlines/conference call to make it official, many states (such as Wisconsin) won’t be an issue. I’m unclear if democrats can submit an alternative candidate in Georgia, and I think they can only offer up the alternative candidate they would have specified during their convention for Nevada.
Nevada is fairly reliably democrat-leaning, and Georgia has been changing a lot lately, with expectations to swing democrat again. Even if democrats did lose Georgia, the state would still be a battleground, which saps resources from the republican presidential effort. (Side note: If that played out and democrats couldn’t field a candidate. I would expect third party or write-in candidates to get an outsized proportion of the vote. That could be a great opportunity for third parties to perhaps get legal recognition and benefits that comes with that.)
It does seem like slightly less of an issue now that I’ve dug a bit deeper into it. However who knows how things will go in states without defined laws - that could be a boondoggle if injunctions get filed.
But there are legal issues already, and those will continue to grow as time goes on.
I don’t know, man.
If Biden, god forbid, had a stroke tonight and was lying in a coma, is there no facility to change the candidate to someone else. Or would you be locked in to voting for a candidate in a vegative state?
I have a feeling the DNC shills we've been seeing so much of are actually part of a DNC campaign. Creating a Lemmy account is free and they could easily contract a company to astroturf as has been done in the past.
Stewart is basically calling for a primary, which we already had, which was known for years ahead of time would happen, which literally anybody could run in, and yet nobody significant seemed interested in running. I voted in the primary, there was more than one person to vote for, Biden even lost his primary in American Samoa. To say there was "no primary" is a lie, and suggesting a party swap out a candidate who already won a primary, and by doing so throw out the votes of millions of Americans who participated in that primary process, is anti-democatic. Do you want people to switch parties and vote in the republican primary? Because that's how you do it. Did the DNC learn nothing from getting caught trying to crush Bernie's primary chances?
You lose voters you disenfranchise, period. I don't care how good the DNC's legislative aims are, if my primary vote literally does not matter, why would I ever vote in their primary again?
if my primary vote literally does not matter, why would I ever vote in their primary again?
Exactly. When one primary candidate won in 2016, the party nominated the other candidate. Your primary vote doesn't matter. SCOTUS even agreed with you, stating that if one doesn't like how private organizations run their primaries then they shouldn't participate in them.
Why would anyone ever vote in the primary again?
Are you talking about Bernie? He literally got less primary votes, thats why he lost, period. I agree the DNC tried to fuck him over, but at the end of the day he got less votes and that's all there is to it. If Bernie's voters were as vote-happy as they were loud, he would have been the winner of the primary.
They implemented a number of reforms after Wikileaks exposed their corrupt practices, their primary system is more fair and robust than it was in 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#Reforms_since_2016
Bernie got fewer votes, but it was the result of blatant cheating. So its much more correct to say he was the rightful winner of it, especially considering that he would have beaten trump (according to polls). So he was a better representation of both the will of the people had there not been meddling, and the greater good for the left.
DNC knew this too. They knew Bernie was polling better. The DNC said we don't care about what our voters want, we know better, and if you don't pledge to our candidate then we'll convince our cult members that you're a Trump supporter.
It must be noted that the same people who told me that Bernie was too old in 2016 are now telling me that Biden is fine.
Also, that’s not even the thing that’s most concerning. The thing that’s most concerning is that Biden doesn’t appear to understand that if he loses, we probably also lose democracy. But that’s ok because he’ll have tried his goodest.
I dunno man. That sounds a hell of a lot like malarkey to me.
Lol, you saying Biden will have tried his goodest here cracks me up. Only the Lord Almighty can save us from Biden.
We didn't have a primary. Dean Phillips was the only real Democrat challenging Biden, he wasn't on the ballot in half the states, and he was run out of the party for challenging the incumbent. They forced him to step down from leadership, they got someone to primary him for his house seat, and he's now dropped out of politics.
But let's ignore that for a minute. The administration and the DNC also kept Biden's decline from the public. They carefully manipulated his public appearances to make sure his mental state wasn't fully known until he was on a debate stage with Trump. The voters were defrauded. The result of that fraud is that we are saddled with a candidate that cannot win. Demanding the DNC fix this colossal fuck-up so we have a shot of winning isn't just fair, it's the only reasonable course of action at this point.
Do you remember the special investigator's report into Biden keeping classified documents? They said Biden legitimately had a really bad memory at the time forgetting many important life events, and the Biden campaign then tried having them change it and then Biden claimed executive privilege over the tapes? The Biden campaign literally used executive privilege to try to prevent Biden's memory issues from becoming public.
This is dumb as fuck . John is running his mouth half educated.
There was a primary. Biden won. Nobody was going to beat Biden, not even close.
But now, John wants to with 4 months to go, pull out the sitting president with a lack of confidence 4 months before an election.
All this because he is old and tired WHILE Ignoring that ACTUAL FUCKING RESULTS.
John and fuckers supporting this shit deserve Trump.
Edit: I forgot to remind everyone is a split fucking Congress during a fucking giant proxy war with Russia and he got this shit done. Probably the most effective president of the past 50 years.
WHAT BIDEN HAS DONE - YEAR FOUR
YEAR FOUR:
Growth shatters expectations: GDP expands 3.1% - a year beginning with heavy odds of a recession
Job creation 40 times rate of last 3 republican presidents - More than double Clinton and Obama
Black unemployment rate lower under Biden than any other administration (4.7%) - Compared to black unemployment under Trump was 2nd worst number in history, reaching over 16%
$1 Billion to replace the Blatnik Bridge connecting WI - MN
$600 million to replace the I-5 Bridge between Vancouver, Washington, and Portland, Oregon, with an earthquake-resistant, multimodal bridge.
$427 million to establish the first offshore wind terminal on the West Coast, off California.
$372 million to replace Cape Cod's nearly 90-year-old Sagamore Bridge.
$300 million for a new container terminal for the Port of New Orleans.
$95 million to widen a 10-mile section of I-10 through the Gila River in Arizona.
$142 million to fix the I-376 corridor in Pittsburgh, including an area infamously known as "the bathtub" due to its regular flooding.
$150 million to reconnect communities divided by the Cross Bronx Expressway in New York built in the mid-1900s.
Modernizes American port infrastructure
$3B investment for high speed internet for rural communities
$623 million to build EV charging network
Awards nearly $163 billion in federal contracts to small businesses
$426 million for Northern California offshore wind farm
Post-pandemics recovery is by far the most successful in the world
US oil production hits all-time high
Rescinds Trump-era "Denial of Care" rule that allowed health care workers to deny medical care to patients because of their personal religious or moral belief
Launches $11 billion on semiconductor-related research and development including $5 billion National Semiconductor Technology Center
US Trade Deficit With China Narrows to Lowest Since 2010
$250 million to modernize airports in 37 states
$4.4 million to upgrade Maine's power grid
Violent crime drop significantly since 2020
$5.8 billion to clean up nation’s drinking water and upgrade infrastructure
Round 15 of student loan forgiveness: $1.2 billion of federal student loans
Orders cybersecurity regulations for port operators similar to standardized safety regulations preventing injury and damage to people and infrastructure
$500 million to combat wildfire and improve resilience
$1 billion deal with Oregon, Washington, and 4 Columbia River tribes to revive Northwest salmon population
$1.7 billion package to fund initiatives aimed at ending hunger across the United States by 2030
$1 billion toward cleaning up 110 contaminated sites
$28 billion towards substance abuse treatment
$366 million to accelerate clean energy deployment in rural and remote areas
Implemented new rule that cuts credit card late fees $32 to $8
Allows student loan borrowers to repay based on income providing affordable payments and eventual student loan forgiveness
Directs DOJ to issue regulations giving clear protections of sensitive data from access by countries of concern
Bans asbestos
Funds program to fund coast-to-coast bicycle path without hitting a road
Commits $6B to cut emissions from high-carbon industries
Lends $1.5B to restart Michigan nuclear power plant
Allocates $750 million for hydrogen research and development
Restores threatened species protections dropped by Trump
Blocks mining on more than 221,000 acres of federal land in Colorado
First National standard ever for reducing harmful chemicals in drinking water
"Last resort" program keeps tens of thousands of American veterans who were in danger of losing their homes
America's economy growing at double the rate of all other G7 countries
Adds Title IX protections for LGBT students, forbidding discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity
Shields millions of acres of Alaskan wilderness from drilling and mining
$7 billion in federal grants for residential solar projects serving 900,000-plus households
Extends rule requiring overtime pay to workers making under $58,000 annually
Requires airlines to give cash refunds for canceled and significantly delayed flights
Establishes standards to eliminate emissions from new federal buildings by 2030
Lays out conditions for national goal to cut emissions from freight shipping down to zero
Bans most noncompete employment agreements preventing workers from joining competing businesses or launching ones of their own
Reinstates net neutrality
Prohibits federally funded health providers & insurers from discriminating on basis of sexual orientation and gender identity
Canadian Solar, one of the largest solar manufacturing companies in the world coming back to the US, thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act
Round 16 of student debt forgiveness: Clears $6 billion in debt for closed art school’s students
In 2021 only three states supplied 12 months of post partum care - Three years later 46 states now do
Online platforms and social media companies required to report child sex trafficking and online enticement to NCMEC’s tip line
Bans Russian uranium imports
$16 billion investments in Historically Black Colleges and Universities
Round 17 of student debt forgiveness: $7.7 billion for over 160,000 borrowers
Free online tax filing program piloted this year made permanent and scope will be expanded
Executive action ordering the closure of border cutting asylum claims in half (according to FOX News)
Prohibits medical debt from being reported on credit reports
Pardons US Service Members convicted because they were gay
Enacts plan to end Parkinson’s disease
Codifies same-sex and interracial marriage
Bolsters nation’s nuclear power by speeding timeline for licensing new nuclear reactors and cut fees that companies have to pay to do so
RESULTS:
COVID-19 vaccination program saved $732 billion, averting illness and related costs during the Delta and Omicron variant waves, with a return of nearly $90 for every dollar spent
Black unemployment at 4.7% - The lowest in US history
Stock market at record highs - Above 40,000 for the first time in history
13.2 million jobs added
Record number of states with unemployment rates at or below 3%
National unemployment rate below 4% for the longest stretch in more than 50 years
First Quarter Crime Statistics
Murder: Down 26.4%
Rape down: Down 25.7%
Robbery down: Down 17.8%
Aggravated Assault: Down 12.5%
Property Crime: Down 15.1%
Domestic manufacturing up 279% since Biden took office
Average hourly earnings up 22.28% since February 2020, surpassing the rate of inflation
I'm disappointed in Stewart for this. I understand he's just a comedian, but he seemed to actually have some good takes and be getting more involved in serious politics over the past few years.
Changing the nominee at this stage would be effectively ceding the election. I'm convinced that most of this anti-Biden rhetoric is coming from right-wing astroturfers.
It's also bizarre seeing so many so-called progressives claiming that anyone could beat Trump... Did we learn nothing in 2016? Even the 2020 election was way too close for comfort. I wasn't a huge fan of Biden back then, but he has exceeded my expectations significantly. I'm disappointed that there aren't any viable younger candidates (that's still a problem that needs to be solved in the next primary), but that's certainly not going to stop me from voting for Biden again.
I'm convinced people that are saying the exact same things you just said actually are Trump supporters and want Trump to win.
Supporting the incumbent president and primary winner, who has the perhaps the most progressive accomplishments since FDR, who already beat Trump in the last election... Is supporting Trump?
That's some gold medals mental gymnastics.
Most progressive accomplishments since FDR? Please spare me the Biden-paid shill speech. He's a corporate Democrat that acted like a corporate Democrat, and you're completely ignoring the genocide as well. Biden was not a a progressive candidate. Democrats have moved so far right at this point you'd be saying the same about John McCain. Biden is losing and will lose to Trump. Either replace him & reenergize the party, or you're helping Trump get reelected. End of story.
Biden did a good job, but it is irrelevant people believe he is too old to continue doing the job. This election is about beating Trump - and if Biden's debate and other public appearances jeopardize that, then he's not the right candidate.
Even if the Lord Almighty comes down and tells Biden to drop out would Biden consider it. He may not even listen to God.
Stfu dude, we all know there wasnt a primary, you sound like an idiot. And why the irrelevant wall of text?
Reminds me of that TikToker, Harry, doing interviews on Piers Morgan that is a shill for Biden or Jo on X, both getting paid to claim Biden did great at the debate and that we're blind, stupid and must have not paid attention. The say thing like "only Biden can beat Trump."