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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 75 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Unoriginal but highly germane point: the people who think that anthropogenic climate change is ridiculous on its face believe that Democrats have weather control satellites.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Typical fascist rethoric: the enemy is weak but strong. The enemy is so dumb but also deviosly smart and capable.

Climate change is fake but the democrats can control it and use it against red States except when it can't.

Facts no longer mater for these people, what they ”feel” is truth. Experts are liars. Rumor is fact. Theory is reality but only if convenient.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

War Is Peace.

Freedom Is Slavery.

Ignorance Is Strength

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 month ago

And in the end, you will come to love big brother.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The enemy is so dumb but also deviosly smart and capable.

The enemy is all powerful, but they're not better than you.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

people who think that anthropogenic climate change is ridiculous

It isn't simply "ridiculous". It is a conspiracy constructed to harm economic prosperity in the United States. A vast Chinese psy-op designed to trick our country out of its energy independence. A plot by (((the liberal media))) to emasculate American men and perpetuate a white genocide, which will expose our nation to a final takeover by Hispanic Muslim Socialists invading our southern border.

The Hoax of Anthropogenic Climate Change is a military operation that has already claimed large parts of the east and west coasts, thanks to the weak wills and feminine natures of soy eating cucked Marxists who have rejected the Divine Will of the Creator.

Hurricane Milton is further evidence of the vast left-wing subterfuge that seeks to break the will of the American people. And there is only one man strong enough to lead our nation by speaking the Holy Words of Truth and champion a Glorious Return to Tradition.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Shouldn't it be hitting Texas then?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

We got Beryl'd back in July. We also got a nasty derecho the week before Beryl hit. Don't worry, God's Angriest Farts haven't neglected us.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

"It is impossible to warm the planet by several degrees over multiple decades but it is totally possible to create a large category 5 hurricane within just days." Republicans are all willfully delusional clowns.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's a deflection from it being God's judgement.

Every natural disaster that affects primarily Democrats is publicized as "God's Judgement."

So whenever a natural disaster affects primarily Republicans they need to declare reason why it's not God's judgement.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't know how many of these people are actively pushing this for that specific purpose, but the thinking here is definitely medieval. It's the old human desire to make sense if events bigger than ourselves and grant ourselves some illusion of power over them and our own fate. In the past it you might have explained a hurricane by saying it's the divine judgement of Zeus/Odin/Indra/____; now it manifests by blaming it all on democrats. The old way was more entertaining.

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 month ago

So what you are saying here, is reps are afraid of the dems, because the reps have god-like powers.

Well if they believe that, it would be a reasonable fear.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

It's that, but mostly it's the same move as the tobacco guys: delay as much as possible, sow fear, uncertainty, doubt, maximize every penny you can from the stock returns and buybacks, and when the enemy finally triumphs, demand compensation.

[–] cristo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Well, tbf, the hurricane is hitting Tampa which is pretty blue compared to the rest of the state.

[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago

You have to give some credit here. Though weaponizing weather at scale is still impossible, MAGA grifters have demonstrated the ability to weaponize actual American stupidity, which is impressive in its own right.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Had a revelation about this idiot last night. I want her to stay in office!

That's going to be a GOP seat no matter what, so let's keep an idiot filling it. Do we really want a capable Republican in that slot?

She is as powerless as it's possible to be for a House member. Everyone thinks she's a fool and she's not allowed on a single committee, where the real power lies. She's to dumb to create legislation, let alone get it passed. And to top it off, she consistently makes the party look bad. Perfect!

[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"Dr. Librul, we've done it. We've finally defeated physics. We can use this tech to stop climate change and save millions of lives. What are we going to do with this new found knowledge?"

"We're going to use it to slam the coasts of Florida."

"Wait, why?"

"Because that's what the transgender immigrant bourgeoisie want, my naive assistant."

[–] jhymesba@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sometimes, the only appropriate response to a given news article is:

-or-

[–] bradinutah@thelemmy.club 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] jhymesba@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

With full Southern energy. ;)

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

“Milton looks like another man-made storm, and it looks like Trump voters are victims. Is this really what’s happening?”

Yes! Great to see you have figured it out - better late than never! Now you can help us campaign for action on climate change!

“Biden and Harris are messing with the weather! Hurricane Milton was sent to Florida just like the other hurricane to wipe Florida out!! They know those are mostly Trump supporters who live in that state, so 85% of them won’t be able to vote next month,”

Ah ffs...

[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

These fools will defend the electoral college to the death while at best pretending that they don't know how it works

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Just in case you need one more point to dismiss this as ludicrous, Milton is projected to hit 2 of the top 5 Dem-voting counties in Hillsborough (Tampa) and Orange (Orlando).

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's a false flag operation duh. /S

At least a third of the US has abandoned all responsibility for the country and will just spout whatever nonsense to get what they want. Me me me me me. American individualism dialed up to 11, turning into a cancer eating the country inside out.

A lot of American heroes spinning in their graves, watching spoiled babies loot the greatness that was built.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Fact check true.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

And Helene hit red counties, counties with some of our lowest populations.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ah, but you're looking at voters (which don't matter) and ignoring donors (which do matter). The real question is how many Republican millionaires and billionaires will be affected. None of those other people count.

If you knew THEY could shoot hurricanes at will, would you not be nicer to them since you apparently can't defeat physics and they can? Antagonizing what sounds like a comic book villian organization seems counterintuitive.

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

So it can only be man made when it's "supposedly" going after Republicans? What kinda dumbass snowflake bullshit is that? Yeah, we have the ability to purposely create hurricanes wherever we want and we're gonna use it to attack Republicans... Like what? Are they even trying anymore?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wonder at what level of insanity GOP voters start to realize these people are insane.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

When you've decided the GOP is insane, you stop being a GOP voter.

But a lot of these voters have more at stack than a simple vote. They're economically linked to the socially conservative institutions and private businesses that the GOP has been standing up to form the backbone of the Floridian economy. You're not going to convince people who rely on a salary from a charter school or an AM talk radio station or a functionally unregulated chemical plant or a cruise liner that caters to adult babies that Republicans are a bad choice for office, because these people are on the same payroll as their political bosses.

That's before you get into the deluge of right-wing propaganda that echoes across the peninsula night and day 24/7. The US media is a hate machine, and GOP voters are the intended output of that machine. That, plus knowing your boss is an ultra-orthodox conservative, means people who want to function in the state either drink the kool-aid or keep their heads down.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm thinking more than just Floridian voters. Like how do GOP voters across the country look at this GOP insanity and think "this is fine".

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They work in industries and ingest media that normalizes the attitudes and behaviors.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah so if we go back to the first point, there must be some level of insanity that the GOP voters realize that the GOP is utterly insane. Is "they control the weather" really not there yet?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

there must be some level of insanity that the GOP voters realize that the GOP is utterly insane

Different messages go to different audiences. You can find plenty of Republicans who think MTG specifically is a nut, but feel perfectly comfortable voting for Ted Cruz or John Thune or Mike Johnson, because they're the serious adults in the room.

On the flip side, you have a certain demographic of Rush Babies who will believe anything negative about democrats because its all just a game of smearing and you're happy enough to feel like you put points on the board. "They said JD Vance fucked a couch, we said Joe Biden created a hurricane, so now we're even." The reality of the statement matters less than the vibes. And the vibe of "Democrats caused the Hurricane" boils down to "Democrats Hate America", which Republicans generally understand to be true.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 month ago

I'm so tired of her bullshit.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

And the ONLY way to stop EXACTLY the Things that we were warned would happen if we don't give up Fossil Fuels is to BURN MORE OIL!

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Did you ever give permission to them to do it? Are you paying for it? Of course you are...

If "them" was Chevron, BP, Enron, Shell, Sunoco, Texaco, Imperial, Suncor, and other fossil fuel companies instead of government these conspiracy theorists would be closer to the mark.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

If “them” was Chevron, BP, Enron, Shell, Sunoco, Texaco, Imperial, Suncor, and other fossil fuel companies instead of governmen

It's both...

The reason we keep breaking fossil fuel production records is because politicians from both parties want fossil fuel money.

Not just in donations, but to prop up "the economy".

Biden doesn’t like to talk about the oil boom he’s overseeing; in fact, when he talks about America’s oil industry, it’s typically been negative. He is, after all, relying on a base of Democratic voters who are passionate about climate to win reelection this year. In a December CNN poll, almost two-thirds of US adults said they were worried about the threat of climate change in their communities.

https://www.vox.com/climate/24098983/biden-oil-production-climate-fossil-fuel-renewables

It pisses off lifelong Dem voters...

But apparently he's more concerned about republican talking points like "gas is expensive" even tho republican talking points are rarely based in reality.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

On Monday, amid desperate evacuation warnings, Greene unleashed a hot new take. “Climate change is the new Covid,” she wrote. “Ask your government if the weather is manipulated or controlled. Did you ever give permission to them to do it? Are you paying for it? Of course you are.”

We haven't, but we don't have a chance to.

Both candidates are pro-fracking, even tho in coal friendly battleground state Pennsylvania 58% support banning it.

trump broke fossil fuel production records when he was in office, and then Biden broke those records. And regardless of who the next president is, were likely going to break them again.

If you give a shit about climate change and humans changing the weather, tough shit.

There's no viable option that will do anything to fix this issue.

So ironically there's some truth to this: it's happening because humans caused it, and the people who caused it (fossil fuel companies and politicians from both parties) aren't going to do anything to stop it from happening again.

So it will happen again, and again, and again. Until we get enough politicians that won't take fossil fuel donations in office. And then we can pass climate legislation, and maybe a couple decades after that things will stop getting worse. If we're lucky in 4-5 generations it might even start improving instead of getting worse slower.

I hope so, shits pretty bad already if you haven't noticed.

[–] jhymesba@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You might not care about climate change, but climate change cares about you, and it's gonna knock down your house. :3

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah, it's not even like it's just the South anymore, the last hurricane almost made it to Michigan and knocked power out for days in some parts of the Midwest.

Fucking insane that both parties refuse to even admit there's a problem. Even crazier they're both pushing for loosening of regulations that will directly make it worse.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Everyone knows it's the space lasers!

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