Unfortunately 1,300 still "so far". People are ready to give him another crack at it.🤮
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It's actually still happening under Biden.
Got a source?
https://immigrantjustice.org/staff/blog/biden-administration-routinely-separates-immigrant-families
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It's not a trump thing, it's an american thing.
It’s actually still happening under Biden.
Its a bit more nuanced than that. That's like saying "people who wear seat belts still die". Well yes, that's a fact, but intentionally or not, you're making a claim without context and painting a picture in the mind of others that doesn't reflect reality.
Under the Trump administration’s so-called “zero tolerance” policy, separations were calculated and deliberate.
The goal of zero tolerance was to criminally prosecute all adult migrants who entered the country illegally. U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) would detain parents and transfer their children into the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement.
“Cruelty was the point of that policy,” Langarica said.
Biden rescinded the policy in January 2021. Yet, three years later, more than 1,400 families remain separated, according to the latest update from the Family Reunification Task Force.
The report argues that separations have happened for decades, but under the Biden administration they are a result of bureaucratic processes, lack of transparency and accountability — not purposeful cruelty.
You can find the latest Family Reunification Task Force progress reports here: https://www.dhs.gov/publication/family-reunification-task-force-progress-reports
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If something happened to my kid, and I was never reunited with them? Never given contact with them, never provided communication with their care takers?
You can bet violence would be the inevitable outcome.
1300 children havent been reunited because of incomplete documentation - that was by design - and now the government has the responsibility to protect the children from nefarious parties and verify identities of non-us citizens and their parents?
That's the parents of 1300 children who are slowly losing their wits because they sought safe refuge from a country where if they didn't escape, death was already inevitable.
Now, what do we all know about Facists? They need and enemy. Their entire existence is based around having an enemy. It's easy to point to powerless minority groups and stoke nationalism through that, but invasions don't occur to save lives or conquer land. They occur to give purpose to iron fist policies.
Especially useful is when the Enemies attack you. Unfortunately for the Facists the iron fisted policies enacted after 9/11 had the consequence of restricting the effectiveness of already radicalized groups, reducing their numbers and the usefulness of the Enemy. So what did Trump do? Instead of working on producing false flag attacks which is a hard sell to even his most devoted followers, why not create home grown enemies!
The absolute sick fucks they are. The people I see with a Trump sign on their lawn show me how many of these people there are. The way they dehuminize others really starts to make me think that there is an actual physiological difference between them and the rest of humanity.
They are fine with physical and psychological torture of humans. I wouldnt be surprised if it turns out they have reduced, damaged, or lack entirely the part of their brains that should house empathy.
It all works without it being a specific conspiracy to create terrorists so I don't know why you added that part. Maybe he's just a piece of shit who does bad stuff that creates cohorts of people who hate him and America because he doesn't know about, think about, or care about them.
Every single sign I see, I mentally note them as a monster. Nothing will change my mind on this. I have brought up these kids and the despicable camps they made even recently to my peers and just get a shrug. This whole thing is nuts and I will never forgive our current government for not making this right, as inconsequential of a detail this is for most people. This shit happened on our own damn soil, concentration/internment camp style. That fucking monster did it, but what about the last 4 years? Did anyone even try to help the people we tortured? Did anyone even care?
The worst part? A lot of these kids will not even be able to remember or identify their parents at this point. Hell, their parents might not recognize them. You basically need DNA tests at this point, and if you are not their biological parent, you are probably screwed.
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Elián González is now an anti-USA politian in Cuba. And quite frankly, I don't blame him. It's pretty easy to see what will happen when you force a child to go through tramatic events resulting in the loss of family.
And the trump administration is 16-20 years after the Elián González situation happened. They could already see the results happen in real time by that point.
Long after this post is forgotten about by everybody, including me, we're going to see some of these 1300 children today become anti-usa voices when they become adults.
And they'll have fully justified reasons for thinking that way.
Elian lost his mother coming here and was living with relatives in Miami. His Cuban father (rightfully, in my opinion) wanted him back. His family here reasonably argued that his mother's last act was to bring him to the US and hence he should remain.
The legal battle and ultimate decision he was to be sent back traumatized an innocent kid, but it's not the same. The US was in the middle of a family fight where both sides were asserting viable arguments and the kid was a pawn. I don't see that being a US policy mistake.
I was refering more to the part where federal agents breached his miami home, with him being about 6 years old, and having an assault riffle pointed at him as agents screamed orders and made his crying face one of the top news stories of the year.
That's the part I was referring to. Not a legal court battle.
They weren't surrendering the kid, what exactly did you expect?
There were people screaming that they wouldn't give him back and would fight anyone who came to take him.
It's the south Florida Cuban community, surprised you have this position.
Show me another case of federal agents breaching the door, a team of agents with assault rifles, using helicopters with spotlights, all in the dead of night.
This wasn't a case of CPS shows up at 2pm with a cop as backup. This was more like a swat team terrorist hideout raid.
This wasn't about taking a kid back and bring them to their new legal guardian. This was about sending a message to EVERYONE that illegals aren't welcome here.
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@RemindMe@programming.dev 16 years
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Government acted with impunity here. Will anyone get held accountable for this?
Did Trump give them explicit permission to "lose" child or did somebody not do their job?
It was intentional, the goal was to permanently separate children from their families to deter immigrants and asylum seekers.
This is a LONG article, but extremely detailed with tons of interviews and documents to back it up like emails and memos obtained via FOIA requests: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/09/trump-administration-family-separation-policy-immigration/670604/
It’s also paywalled, but once archive.org comes back online you can find it there. I highly recommend reading the whole thing.
The main takeaway is that the family separation policy was pushed by Trump and his administration incessantly. It took a while to really start because various government officials were reluctant to do it, and kept trying to placate the White House by slow walking the whole thing.
At one point, government lawyers who process asylum claims realized that the separated children were being shipped away from the local holding facility without any documentation, effectively “losing” them in the system. The lawyers figured this was just a terrible error and began processing asylum claims by the parents faster. If they could get it done within a week or so, the children would still be held in the nearby facility and could be reunited with their parents.
The white house was furious and directed the holding facility to start “relocating” the children faster, so that they’d be lost in the system before the parents could be processed.
The cruelty is the point.
So crime happened and looks it was documented properly?
But perps will not be held accountable?
It was in the course of executing his duty. John Roberts says you can't prosecute him for that. And if he marches them into ovens this time you can't prosecute him for that either. The dream of Nixon and Roger Ailes has finally come to fruition. As Nixon said...
Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal", by definition.
The coup has already occurred. And everyone collectively yawned.
Welcome to the 21st century.
Til Biden didn’t do anything to reunite the families and in fact continued separating families: https://immigrantjustice.org/staff/blog/biden-administration-routinely-separates-immigrant-families
This is not the same thing at all. Trump instituted a zero tolerance policy, separating any family caught crossing illegally with the stated intent to dissuade families from making the trip.
Normally (including under Biden) the government separates children from suspected human traffickers or members of gangs that engage in trafficking. This is not to deter families. It's to protect children - sending a child back to Mexico with a human trafficker is an abhorrent thing to do.
Stop carrying water for Trump.
Standard Democrat fare - they'll perpetuate the worst of the GOP nonsense, fix some of it, and generally be less terrible. Also see: Gitmo.
...but as long as the alternative is the GOP, who will make everything far worse far faster (to the point that they're likely to end the moribund US democracy next term), you need to get out and vote for them up and down the ballot.
The democrats are following the law set up by the republicans underneath gwb.
Unless you want biden to act like a dictator, there isnt much he can do considering the state of the senate/house.
Yes - the Republicans instituted the bad thing, the Democrats perpetuated it. Obama had the White House , House , and Senate and didn't close Gitmo as promised.
I'm in favour of Biden acting like a dictator if it's to do things like restore the rule of law, stop torture, and right wrongs like separating kids from their families for their entire childhood. The kinds of consequences that make dictatorships bad. What's the value of proceduralism if it not just fails to correct, but actively delivers those outcomes?
Neither party has made any effort to eliminate the unconstitutional Patriot Act either, instead, actually ramping it up.
Yep - there's no shortage of examples - this is why I point to it as the unfortunate norm.
Obama had the White House , House , and Senate and didn’t close Gitmo as promised.
Did you follow the situation? Gitmo wasn't closed because there was nowhere to transfer the prisoners. It was attempted, numerous times. There were legal battles over this.
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Not to defend them too much and I have to admit that I don't know much about the details which bills were priorities during the 4 months that Obama has house, senate and Presidency.
What I did read a while back was that Obama didn't know how long his supermajority would last and some of the things he wanted he wanted done but couldn't once he lost the house.
I'd say the shining city on the hill should have made restoring the rule of law a higher priority, but that's just my opinion.
It seems the GOP can make things plenty worse in a hell of a hurry, but when it comes to righting the wrongs, it's all too hard. The Democrat inclination toward civility politics and the status quo over basics like protecting the rule of law and the democracy will be the death of us.
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To be able to make change: Who controls the house AND the senate?
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Ladies and gentlemen: the pro life party,.
They will never find them again barring getting lucky with both the parents and the kids picking the right DNA testing company. At which point that company will sell its data to the U.S. government.
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