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Nintendo, famed for hating emulation, likely using Windows PCs to emulate SNES games at its museum (www.techspot.com)

submitted 9 months ago by nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works to c/games@sh.itjust.works

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[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 66 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nintendo is well-known for using emulation in its own products, such as “Virtual Console” releases and the “NES/SNES Classic”. They just don’t like people playing their games in ways they didn’t decide on.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 50 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They just don't like people playing their games in ways that don't generate profit.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 37 points 9 months ago

They just don't like people playing their games

Because they dont even sell most of their games anymore at this point

[+] Breve@pawb.social 37 points 9 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The article notes that they are likely using a proprietary in-house emulator.

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[–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They don't need to, they have their own studio that makes all their emulators called NERD: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_European_Research_%26_Development

Those emulators most likely have always worked on Windows since they need to be tested somewhere.

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 1 points 9 months ago

The Switch is ARM and uses several components from FreeBSD and Android. It would not be surprising to learn that they have the ability to compile system components like Virtual Console for an ARM Linux with stubs for Switch-specific stuff.

The SNES Classic is also ARM, and has much less going on than the full Switch OS (Horizon). That could be the core of what they use for the museum displays, considering there’s an ARM version of Windows too.

Either way, devs gonna dev. If you can’t get feedback at your workstation and always have to deploy to your target platform to test anything, you’re gonna move too slow to catch and fix bugs or build flexible enough systems to prevent them.

So much of dev testing is about trade-offs between rapid iteration and thorough fidelity. You need access to both.

From my own experience, I’ve done stuff like:

built mobile apps that can also be deployed as desktop apps or web apps for the sake of dev testing
built testing tools for car systems that fake out sensor input
built HTTP wrappers for cloud-deployed services to allow them to be run locally
faked out camera feeds for AR apps

It can get janky, cuz not everything works the same way, but most of what you work on is not platform-specific anyway and a good architecture will minimize the portion of code that only works on the target platform.

[–] lowleveldata@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Could it be that they only hate it when others emulate their games? Am I being ridiculous?

[–] zfirerose@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean, the problem isn't emulation, it's unauthorized emulation. They build emulators for older games on their own consoles.

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

My issue with Nintendo is that it's not even clear it is illegal to emulate things, authorized or not.

We have some precedent which ruled it's not, but no real call from an authority.

They use their legal team to bully the world even for emulation which is clearly not even harmful to them.

[–] zfirerose@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

That's fine and all. I agree that their actions are absurd. But the aim of this article seems to be to provoke more rage towards Nintendo for something that seems like pretty standard practice and completely misses the point of what people are mad about.

[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Famed for hating illegal or unlicensed emulation. Well known for using legal, licensed emulation all the time in everything.

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 2 points 9 months ago

Their entire operating systems are essentially emulators.