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“Noting that more than a thousand cultural sites had been damaged or destroyed since the beginning of the war, the Congress underlined that the targeting and looting of cultural sites appeared to reflect a systematic policy aimed at erasing Ukraine’s historical and cultural identity, consistent with a genocidal intent,” the Council said.

It’s not the first time Russia's war in Ukraine has been designated a genocide by international authorities. Multiple European national parliaments have already done so with the Council of Europe deeming Russia’s forced transfer of children as an act of genocide in 2023.

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[–] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

And yet they still won’t call the destruction of Palestine a genocide…

[–] Slotos@feddit.nl 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Which angers me as a Ukrainian. Yes, circumstances are different and I despise misinformation coming from a loudly obnoxious subset of pro-Palestinian side, but Israel officials had been clearly stating genocidal intent from the early days.

When picking which genocide to support, the correct answer is „none”. But support for Israel kinda aligns with „Russia cannot lose” approach, so I guess things are consistent in that regard.

[–] itstoowet@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

And that quite a lot of Ukrainians support Israel and don't see the similarities between their struggle and the Palestinian's — I don't get it.

E: and to the down voters, I am Ukrainian diaspora and lived in Kyiv until the war and visit regularly. I have these conversations frequently when I'm there.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Do you have examples of this? I figured Ukrainians would understand the plight of the Gazans more than most

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Pretty sure they will. The ICJ already said its likely in a preliminary finding, but they need to finish reviewing the mountain of evidence, which will take time

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 8 points 2 weeks ago

Is Israel's strategy to just keep creating so much evidence the ICJ is swamped?

[–] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If the European council has enough evidence to call what’s happening in Ukraine a genocide, then they should have more than enough information to call what’s been happening in Palestine a genocide even before Oktober 7th of last year. They didn’t need a ICJ ruling for Ukraine, and they don’t need one for Palestine.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

You do understand a year is a pretty short amount of time in the international law sphere.

This ukraine case had been filed two and a half years ago.

[–] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

The Palestinian genocide has been going on for decades.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Tankies: "No, you don't understand, we meant WESTERN-sponsored genocide!"

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

a systematic policy aimed at erasing Ukraine’s historical and cultural identity

Absolutely. Since before the war started, Putin has been calling Kyiv the home of the Russian people.

I'd say if he really wanted to trace the origins of the Russian people and ignore the fact that most of the Russian people's ancestors most likely already lived in Russia before there was a Russia and just act like the ruling class was everyone, go with Stockholm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27_people

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Whoa, hey, how the fuck did Sweden get dragged into this sewage fire?

Not cool man, not cool.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not my fault you guys decided to start colonizing down the Volga over 1000 years ago.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Biden needs to green-light the Ukrainian use of western weapons on targets inside Russia. The US is still tying Ukraine's hands in the third year of this war! If Russia didn't want to be shot at, they should not have invaded. This has gone on for much too long.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I wonder if Putin would ever relent, or if they would have to essentially siege Moscow and St. P to get an agreement?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

If the economy goes down, putin does do too, and the economy is on its deathbed.

Or as they say, the revolution is theee meals away.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net -2 points 2 weeks ago

Standard United States operating procedure is to arm the side doing the genocide, let's appreciate their restraint

[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

23 comments and only one top level comment is talking about anything related to the actual link.

[–] fukhueson@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

I agree, and want to applaud you for saying this even considering my own contributions to discussion down the comments that were not relevant to the article. It is a duty in my opinion to counter misinformation where it is.

I wanted to say this myself but opted not to (based on perhaps unfounded fears of how it would be received), and I regret not doing so sooner. Thank you for pointing this out.

[–] SoupBrick@yiffit.net 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

To clarify, this is not an undermining or comparison of both conflicts. This is more so to provide an alongside image to hold news stations accountable for what they determine as "crossing a line".

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/gaza-before-after-satellite-images/

[–] ravhall@discuss.online 1 points 2 weeks ago

Are you suggesting that the genocide of Muslims in china is also happening, or are you going to deny it?

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world -5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] i_ben_fine@lemmy.one 2 points 2 weeks ago

That sounded sarcastic. I'm sure it wasn't though.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What's the difference between the Council of Europe and the EU Parliament?

It’s not part of the EU. It’s what rules the European Court of Human Rights. Switzerland, UK, Turkey etc are members.