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"Most of the world’s video games from close to 50 years of history are effectively, legally dead. A Video Games History Foundation study found you can’t buy nearly 90% of games from before 2010. Preservationists have been looking for ways to allow people to legally access gaming history, but the U.S. Copyright Office dealt them a heavy blow Friday. Feds declared that you or any researcher has no right to access old games under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, or DMCA."

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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 185 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Industry groups argued that those museums didn’t have “appropriate safeguards” to prevent users from distributing the games once they had them in hand.

Good grief. Some of these games have been on the Internet longer than I have been alive. They are 100-fucking-percent already available on ROM sites. You're just shitting on people's enjoyment for the sake of shitting.

“The game industry’s absolutist position… forces researchers to explore extra-legal methods to access the vast majority of out-of-print video games that are otherwise unavailable,” the VGHF wrote.

The spice must flow, and I can assure you that it already does.

[–] ogeist@lemmy.world 91 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Industry groups argued that those museums didn’t have “appropriate safeguards” to prevent users from distributing the games once they had them in hand.

So libraries are also illegal? Books, DVDs, VHS, CDS, etc. You can replace games with any of those.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 122 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They've been actively fighting libraries over the years, with renewed fervor in the last decade. As numerous others have pointed out before--including the article I linked--if libraries hadn't already been such a long-standing concept for centuries, they would 100% not be allowed to come into existence nowadays. Hyper greed has poisoned every facet of modern society.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

hyper greed

You misspelled neoliberal capitalism

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

Libraries are clearly communist… or anarchist… either way, I hate it!

[–] ArgentRaven@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (4 children)

We used to rent these games from Blockbuster Video! On DVD when we had DVD burners and little to no drm! How did it suddenly not become acceptable?

[–] absquatulate@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Lobbying. The greedy fucks will lobby until they get their way

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[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Industry groups argued that those museums didn’t have “appropriate safeguards” to prevent users from distributing the games once they had them in hand.

And what exactly is stopping me from scanning library books and uploading them online? Are you going to ban libraries too?

Actually, let's not give them ideas.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 52 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They would love to ban libraries.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

If they didn't already exist, it's doubtful they would have been legal to make.

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[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago

Physical books have no safeguards from photocopying.

I have more terrifying news about museums. We are talking pictures worth MILLIONS just waiting to be photographed.

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 140 points 1 week ago (8 children)

That's cool. Won't really stop any of the shit that's been happening though.

Good luck corpos, for every pirate you take away ten more will take their place.

hack the planet

[–] Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 39 points 1 week ago (3 children)

They're trashing our rights!

Hack the planet!

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[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 134 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Read a comment a while ago that if libraries weren't a thing today and someone would propose them, the FBI would be on their ass and stalk after them for even suggesting such radical views. Copyright law is utterly broken and a disservice to society in it's current form and execution. Politicians need to get their fat fingers out of the stock market by law.

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I really feel like the source code needs to be released after 25 years. We need to be able to protect older games.

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[–] xep@fedia.io 108 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 52 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd say it's more intolerably long copyright terms than the DMCA specifically.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago

The DMCA is just the icing on top of the 95-120y "work for hire" copyright duration shit cake.

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[–] mPony@lemmy.world 76 points 1 week ago (5 children)

FTA

Industry groups argued that those museums didn’t have “appropriate safeguards” to prevent users from distributing the games once they had them in hand. They also argued that there’s a “substantial market” for older or classic games, and a new, free library to access games would “jeopardize” this market. Perlmutter agreed with the industry groups.

So as long as someone, somewhere, might make a penny off of them, they can't be free. Insert your own metaphor here.

[–] zarenki@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 week ago

This argument is even more ridiculous than it seems. During the copyright office hearing for this exemption request (back in April), the people arguing in favor of libraries talked about the measures they have in place. They don't just let people download a ROM to use in any emulator they please. It's not even one of those browser-based emulators where you can pull the ROM data out of your browser cache if you know how. It's a video stream of an emulator running on a server managed by the library, with plenty enough latency to make it very clearly a worse gaming experience.

It's far easier to find ROMs of these games elsewhere than it is to contact a librarian and ask for access to a protected collection, so there'd be no reason to redistribute the files even if they were offered, which they aren't.

On top of that, this exemption request was explicitly limited to old games that have been long unavailable on the market in any form, which seems like an insane limitation to put on libraries, places that have always held collections of books both new and old.

All of that is still not enough to sate the US Copyright Office, the ESA, AACS, or DVD CSS. Those three were the organizations that fought against this.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

It's been demonstrated multiple times that when you make access easy and affordable people will pay for it over pirating it.

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 18 points 1 week ago (9 children)

The same logic would apply to books. ::gestures at library::

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[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 68 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People will just continue pirating those games then.

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[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 67 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It sounds like the problem is not with the feds but with the DMCA. It needs to be overturned.

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 65 points 1 week ago (20 children)

Federal law does not apply to me as a Swede in Sweden.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Nor I, as a sovereign citizen in the United States.

[–] conc@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not downloading it, the bits are travelling to my hard drive.

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[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 16 points 1 week ago

I do not wish to enjoinder with your Game Launcher and anonymous telephony

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Feds are wrong, or would be if copyright continued to serve its original purpose (according to the Constitution of the United States) to create a robust public domain.

All media should be accessible through public libraries, and arguments by federal courts presumes that the public does not have vested interest in content. It presumes the government isn't there to serve the public, which raises questions as to why we have government in the first place.

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[–] wavebeam@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago (3 children)

They’re right. I have been using old videos games for recreation. Too bad that they’ve decided to prevent me from paying for the privilege or at least being tracked through library usage and have instead decided it’d be better if I was just an untrackable “criminal”

Either way, I’m enjoying these old games and living my life guilt free.

[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You'd better not also be reading books for fun. By their logic, any recreational use of books from a library should also be considered illegal.

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[–] Vaggumon@lemm.ee 55 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yo ho ho and fuck the police

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 50 points 1 week ago

OK, I'll download them then.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (4 children)

“Fair Use” is a thing. Someone needs to go back to law school.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Pearson is trying really fucking hard to write that out of the public consciousness. I took an econ 101 class about 12y ago for funsies and the section of the course on copyright insisted that "the rights of copyright owners" were absolute with no exemptions.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Of course, it's in their best interests to falsely educate.

IMO when it comes to educational books that are intended to be used within an educational system like a college, first amendment shouldn't apply. The entire purpose is to educate the public your freedom of speech interferes with facts. Should it be found that your books consciously represented misinformation, the company is automatically found at fault and must recall then replace all books at their own cost and be fined tens of thousands of dollars per book that remains after five years.

Should they fail to replace 80% of all sold books within those 5 years, the entire chain of command responsible will face prison terms no lower than one year.

There were so many textbooks I had through my years of education that were blatantly wrong.

I'm also looking at those schools who want to teach creationism in place of evolution. Can't misrepresent facts when the books you can use get recalled.

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[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago

Sharing is caring

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee 40 points 1 week ago

Fine. I'll start my own library. With external storage, and ROMS.

Wait I'm already doing that.

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 40 points 1 week ago

you can't stop the signal, mal

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And thus. Again, piracy seems to be the moral choice

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[–] Hackworth@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It aint the country doing this per se... It is the ownrr class using the state against the slaves. Again

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

insane takeover of the public square here.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Land of the Free, everybody

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[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bought judges belong against a wall, so that we can pick them last in dodgeball.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

stop giving money to lobbyists

🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

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[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

good emulators out there. haven't tried any lately

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[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Oh yeah? ~reaches for feathered Tricorn~

You don't say? ~shifts buckaneer coat across shoulders~

No, you don't mean that? ~straps on pistol/saber belt~

Why would you say such a thing ya daft cunt ? ~quote by nearby African Grey Parrot~

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