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[–] Codename_goose@sh.itjust.works 158 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can’t wait to not be able to order one.

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Love the fact community is already mocking the fact they have distribution issues. While I had Twitter account their PR team was going full force demonstrating how it can be used and promoting projects that use it... all the while it's out of stock everywhere, constantly. I would have number of sites "notify" me when they are back in stock, only to be sold out seconds after. Luckily kind person shared a site which tracks where it can be purchased and for what amount but the mere fact such a tool has to exist just shows there's a serious problem.

[–] Surp@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sold by a scalper near you five seconds after it's sold out at launch

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Was able to get rpi3bs easy...4 drops...never saw one that wasn't overpriced scalped shit.

[–] evidences@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

4s were pretty easy to find pre 2020, I bought one at launch and 2 more before the pandemic hit and I never paid more than MSRP for any of them.

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[–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just wait until the market stabilizes.

These aren't GPUs in the crypto boom, they don't produce their own profit. Stop buying from scalpers and the price will crater.

[–] Eyelessoozeguy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It's not the everyman buying from scalpers its industry buying cheap pis over plc, when it's that much cheaper scalper prices isnt much to them. And they need them NOW. Gotta love just in time manufacturing.

[–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 41 points 1 year ago (8 children)

At $80 a pop, might get more oomph from an older optiplex if electricity cost isn’t too big of a concern?

[–] Goodvibes@lemmy.cafe 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That display out will be hard to match with an old optiplex or laptop, but I agree, the pricing is getting less absurdly low and more just moderately low.

[–] Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

To be fair, I'm guessing the majority of Pi's are used headless anyway. Plus even the older Optiplexes have DVI, which is just HDMI without the audio or fancy stuff like ARC. Won't be getting 4K or anything, but still a very good video output and IMO adequate for almost all use cases.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

I'm betting a decent amount of them are used as media PCs. The x265 decoding, 4kx60hz output, 2x speed ram and better wifi are much appreciated for that application.

[–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 3 points 1 year ago

True. I’m looking for an extra headless system so it doesn’t directly affect me, but that could certainly be a concern if you’re in need for 4K.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago

Not to mention a used PC is upgradable and can run proxmox

[–] Richard@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It’s definitely worth thinking about your use case and whether a second hand mini-pc of some sort is a better option. Along with the Pi itself many people are probably going to need a new case and quite possibly a power adapter too given the new power profile. An older PC where that’s taken care off, and where you probably have a 120GB SSD included, could be the better option for some people.

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[–] Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

Fewer Letters More Letters
IoT Internet of Things for device controllers
NVMe Non-Volatile Memory Express interface for mass storage
PCIe Peripheral Component Interconnect Express
PoE Power over Ethernet
RPi Raspberry Pi brand of SBC
SATA Serial AT Attachment interface for mass storage
SBC Single-Board Computer
SSD Solid State Drive mass storage

8 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 9 acronyms.

[Thread #174 for this sub, first seen 28th Sep 2023, 19:25] [FAQ] [Full list] [Contact] [Source code]

I don't think the SATA acronym is right...

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[–] Lasso1971@thelemmy.club 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since switching my server to an x86 based platform, I'm not jumping back to arm any time soon. Maybe some day

[–] Unreliable@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Curious, what hardware are you running?

[–] Lasso1971@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Optiplex with an i5 8500. Before that was using a celeron that used like 6w max

[–] Unreliable@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks! I may be in the market for a little server. Currently running stuff off a pine a64 but arm is killing me for some stuff (specifically playwright with chrome)

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Don't go for a Pi. They don't run stock Linux anyway.

I would get a board from pine64. There are also plenty of other options that are cheaper

Used mini PCs are also an option

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] andreluis034@lm.put.tf 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I guess he means that raspberry pi doesn't run a mainline kernel

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Precisely. You can't just boot up any arm image

[–] mara@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is true with ARM in general. There's no "standard Linux" to boot because every board needs its own device tree and set of core kernel modules for detecting important things like local storage. It's fairly intractable due to how different the hardware is.

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[–] Username@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Wow, I was sure Raspberry Pi were pretty good about mainline support, especially since multiple distros support the platform.
Software support is still very good compared to pretty much every other arm board.

[–] AlecStewart1st@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Currently, and I could be wrong, the alternative to a Pi 4 from Pine64 now would be a Pine64's Quartz64 Model B. A Star64 might be interesting, but that's RISC-V so who knows what OS you could boot on it currently and if it would even be stable.

Plus with the Quartz64 Model B, who knows if you'll able to get a good case for it. There's the $28 “Model B” ALUMINUM WATERPROOF ENCLOSURE, but, eh, no thanks. There's the open enclosure, but that's also a no for me. I want a case I can hide the device itself, the cables, put a heatsink and fan on, be able to use an SSD with USB connect and connect a power supply all stuffed in a case. Which you can find plenty of for Raspberry Pi's.

Not to mention the Pi 5 isn't even out yet, and it's entirely possible it'll be better than the Quartz64 Model B, on top of having a ton of accessories. Plus, I can Pi up practically any Pi at the Microcenter or similar store near me as opposed to having to pay for good shipping.

I'm totally for having alternatives to the Pi, heck I might pick up a Quartz64 Model B if I can find a case, but a lot of alternatives don't have the same support and accessories the Pis do.

[–] Smacks@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Coming to a scalper near you!

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[–] Radium@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

I wonder why they didn’t add usb-c

[–] qjkxbmwvz@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been eyeing an Orange Pi 5+ for my RPi4 upgrade


think I may stick with that route, but glad to see RPi putting out another model.

My experience with RPis over the years was that the multimedia was way better supported than alternatives, but for self hosting that's not really relevant for me (headless, and don't really care about transcoding).

[–] Wolf@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I ordered an OrangePi 3 recently for pihole purposes and it has been great, it’s also probably overkill for this use but hey it was actually in stock and not terribly expensive.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never got over social-media-a**hole-gate.

Out of curiosity is there an equivalent SBC to this new 5 model out there?

[–] migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Fan-tastic! 🤭

[–] shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Comparison using perplexity.ai

[–] Jajcus@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Doesn't sound like the 'cheap small computer you can run your hobby electronics project on' that the original Pi used to be. It is not as cheap and a power hungry beast, still small, though. More and more like a PC and less and less a small cheap embedded platform. For some people it is a plus (I guess for most people here), for some not so much.

I tend to build my projects on Raspberry Pi Pico now, but sometimes I would need something more powerful and Raspberry Pi 5 will be too much.

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The project goal has never been a 'cheap small computer you can run your hobby electronics project on'. The whole point of the project is to build a small cheap PC to give away to school children to increase computer literacy, while making it attractive enough for normal people to buy to fund the charity side

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[–] hydroel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't the Pi 3B still available for that kind of job?

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If you can find a new one. They are $45+ on ebay used. None of the usual US sellers has any.

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