I have the feeling the whole internet is turning into shit rapidly. Youtube is crap, Reddit is crap, everything you use needs a cloud account, my doorbell is sending me notifications about a new product, wtf is up with that. I paid for that thing and now you send me ads? Pisses me off. This corporate greed is getting too much.
this post was submitted on 28 Sep 2023
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There are upsides to it, like me spending considerably less time on the random internet surfing because my annoyance overshadows my dopamine kick.
Conversely, I'm so opposed to the enshitification that I've carefully tailored my internet usage to places that aren't shit and have no prospect of becoming shit, like Lemmy. Since I don't even have the motivation of not supporting an evil company, I'm more addicted that ever.
It’s really accelerated in the past few years. It’s nearly impossible to just read an article or use any product without giving it some kind of information. Lots of people (myself included many times unfortunately) just accept this. I mean, what can be done? If you want or need to use the thing you almost have no choice. If you want to avoid information leaks or being tracked you have to do so much research and work just to find an option, and then hope they don’t get purchased by a company that will reverse it all. I hate it.
I mean, what can be done? If you want or need to use the thing you almost have no choice.
We have to act collectively.
- Don't buy products or use services that require personal info. Of course, this means being willing to make do without some things, at least until they're convinced/forced to change or alternatives appear. In cases where the thing is a necessity, push back (clearly, articulately, and firmly) before sharing your info. Let them know that they're losing goodwill by being nosy, and that you'll stop buying from them as soon as you can.
- Look for products/services that respect our privacy, and support them when possible.
- Pass legislation that forbids needlessly collecting such info. Some regions (e.g. European Union, California) have already taken small steps in this direction. We need to take it further, everywhere.
I think it might also be helpful to have some kind of (independently verified) privacy labeling program for products and services. It would ease some of the burden from consumers when shopping around, and could become an easy marketing tool for companies that want to attract customers.
Honestly, number 3 is the only thing that would have marginal impact. Consumers don't have the time and energy to research every product to the depth required foe the first two.
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Yes it’s hard to deal with. I try to do my best to boycot companies that do this. Youtube, Reddit, Google search and chrome are things I don’t use anymore and the list keeps growing. My next doorbell will be a different brand but choices are limited ofcourse.
On the other hand, there are more and more alternatives popping up lately, Mastodon, Lemmy, Peertube. This is a sign that people are getting tired of this shit. I hope this trend continues.
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IMHO it's cyclical.
- Computers started out client server because of limited computing capacity
- Then everybody got a PC and for a while, physical media were faster than downloads
- Then we got oodles of bandwidth, so servers seemed practical again
- Now servers are taking advantage of the trust we've placed in them
- Next, we'll all enjoy a brief P2P revolution. Hooray!
- After that, homomorphic encryption will make servers seem appealing again
- Even farther into the future, the attacks against that encryption will no longer be tolerable
It will be decades more before humanity accepts the teachings of Richard Stallman.
Could you point me to some starting points or good reads by Richard Stallman? He got a solution to the cycle, then I'm down.
Free software, Free society is his collection of essays.
Except it's possible to work around it, with a minimal amount of knowledge, or by using alternatives.
Reddit? Lemmy.
Twitter? Mastodon.
YouTube? Peertube. For youtube just use piped.video
Ads? UBlock.
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They just went from we love you guys to we don’t even give a fuck bend over boy in like 6 months.
Twitter has also shifted into a dystopian QQ wannabe.
Meta has been a dumpster fire for a decade now.
Tik Tok. heavy sigh
This kinda seems like end of times.
if this is your version of the end of times, I suggest you take a look out your window at the burning hellscape of western north america and other locations around the globe. I also hope you're not too attached to birds or polar bears.
birds or polar bears
Phew! Luckily I just like penguins...
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If it's the end of the era of social media, I'm plenty ok with that. Shit's been cancer for almost a decade now.
And may it usher in the era of antisocial media. The era where we all stop trying to impress each other, monetize each other, and just buy a thing and have it do the thing we bought it for, and not be bothered. Long may it reign.
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I'm increasingly glad I got the fuck out of there.
Same.
Glad I left. It can only get worse...
Some of us remember there was a time when things like Reddit didn't exist, and neither did Facebook, Twitter etc. Lots of people lived just fine without them then. It's completely possible to take a hard line on this stuff and just refuse to use sites/apps/products that don't respect your privacy. Remember, there's always a smaller, friendlier or mechanical version.
Reddit was unique - at least in my experience - in that it expanded my horizons and allowed me to grow in many ways.
Before Reddit I just searched out sites / forums about my interests.
Reddit allowed me to organically gain new interests through daily interactions.
I’ve left it since they killed Apollo but I will admit that there were various good communities that I do miss!
Who cares? Haven't touched Reddit since they turned maggot.
Is that even legal in the EU?
In select countries, the option to turn off ad personalization will remain, allowing Reddit to continue to comply with GDPR restrictions.
If it's anything like Twitter, it resigns you up to them anyway. There's no "turn off all" as far as I could see. The missus has to run some JS to untick all the boxes for her. Next week she'll go back and it will have ticked more.
I thought all you guys left Reddit already
I left r/popular and r/all but lemmy still not yet an adequate replacement for non-tech niche hobbies and interests.
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"I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Spezymandias, Admin of Kings;
Look on my Reddit, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
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Correct me if im wrong, but didn't EU ban this kind of practice?
If true, reddit would be fucked on the European market
Get Mozilla Firefox and add uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger and Ghostery plugins.
For over the top action, but a Raspberry Pi with an ethernet port and install PiHole and change your router DNS to the IP address of the PiHole and bask in glory that 99.999% of the crap out there, will not come or go out of your household.
I don't like Reddit.
I would care if I used Reddit, but I don't.
Who views ads in Reddit? Except for all the shill posts, that is.
I'm pretty sure it's everyone who uses their app, since every third post and every fourth comment on it is an ad of some sort (or at least that's how it seemed). I'm sure anyone on old.r with an adblocker is unaffected but during the brief time I had their app installed there were enough ads to render it unusable and unnavigable.
There's enough astroturf on Reddit for a continent's worth of obnoxious suburban fake lawns.
Shill posts, shill posts everywhere.
For those who are paranoid about this - some of you have a Facebook account, and half of you have a Google-filled smartphone. Privacy is important, but IMO there should be a balance between convenience and privacy - unless you actually do stuff that requires the utmost privacy or you need to stay fully anonymous everywhere as much as possible.
Division of identity - that is, having unique profiles/identities for different types of things you do on the web, using alias emails and anonymous email for certain things etc. - is a more viable strategy than trying to be 100% anonymous on the web.
Commercial social media that is free does and will track your activity on the site, whether for personalized ads or for algorithm purposes. Lemmy and Mastodon don't because they're FOSS, and don't run on ads (99.9% of the time).
Apple is not considerably better for privacy either by rhe way. They just pay more for marketing that says they're more private than the rest of big tech.
Commercial social media that is free does and will track your activity on the site
I don't think many people have an issue with this. It's all the bullshit they pull to track you off the site that is the problem, and they do a lot of that.
Edit: and the selling of that information to third parties that you would never consent to. That's also a huge issue.
funny as im seeing this while nuking my old reddit account. havent used it since they took apollo from me and honestly i won't miss it. they are just digging their own grave at this point.
I don't think my adblocker cares what kind of ads they're trying to show me. If anything their algorithms will just get confused for why this guy who used to be here hours every day now only comes to watch war videos once a day but no longer comments or upvotes anything.
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I don’t understand how they can do this with iPhone when Apple requires all apps to prompt with the option to deny tracking?
They will not be forcing me to accept personalized ads. How are they going to personalize them when I have no reddit account, block their cookies, use a VPN and change my IP address often, and don't use their website.
Isn't it sad that we have to do all this to prevent our information being spread around the corporate world like a virus
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Time to poison their data, I guess.
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