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[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago

One notable software business professional interviewed by RBC thought that the West’s decision would “adversely affect the life of the developer community, mutual trust within it, and therefore the quality of the product.”

It was Russia and other autocracies etc. that diminished the trust by actually financing developers for multiple years to first earn trust and finally introduce backdoors into open source software, as demonstrated by the XZ utils backdoor.

In open source projects, maintainers need to have some initial trust into each contributor, and let this trust naturally grow with time and contributions. They cannot perform intensive background checks on everyone before accepting a patch.

While it is easier to uncover backdoors in open source software, there is no good way to defend and prevent against this kind of attack in this type of development process. All open source projects can do is trying to take away some trust from people within higher risk groups. This of course might lead to discrimination.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was the right move, but this needs to be expanded. Assume there are state actors from all of the major countries installing backdoors.

The digital war front will be getting hit from all sides. We need extreme paranoia to protect all of the innocent bystanders. Don’t assume even your own country is trustworthy in this.

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don’t assume even your own country is trustworthy in this.

My country is one of the world leaders in mass spying software development and even gave themselves the right to basically do deep packet inspections on everything going through it a long time ago, so...

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m pretty certain my country banned Kaspersky because they kept outing western backdoors and malware. And I would bet my life that Windows has supported free use government backdoors since at least Windows 10.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think you made a typo, did you mean Windows 1.0 😝

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 288 points 3 days ago (13 children)

They weren't kicked out, iirc. Their contributions just aren't automatically merged anymore

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 225 points 3 days ago

And they are all welcome back if they can satisfy the Linux Foundation that they're not affiliated with a sanctioned entity on the SDN list.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 119 points 3 days ago (2 children)

But that headline is provocative, it gets people going.

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[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There is a theory that sanctions against a country with a tyrannical ruler hurt the common people more than the oligarchs / dictator. But eventually they do make life more difficult for that ruler

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The common people are the ones who overthrow the dictator eventually

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

That happens relatively rarely. Remember the protests in recent years in Thailand, Hong Kong, Iran? They went exactly nowhere.

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

TF you on? Just because there weren’t immediate, drastic regime level changes doesn’t mean they went “exactly nowhere”.

There have been many changes at smaller levels not being reported in mainstream western media. Public pressure called for MANY local officials to step down along with changes in law that have already started effecting everyday life, and at least in Thailand, some pretty major changes in how public officials are held accountable via more expansive auditing channels, thereby increasing transparency.

Not everything is a fucking hollywood movie wherein you have some Hunger Games style uprising against the elite.

In fact, it’s fucking insulting hearing people who haven’t an ounce of global exposure beyond whatever 2 or 3 media sources they shove their heads into saying “those protesters got nothing accomplished”.

Never let anyone tell you protesting doesn’t work.

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[–] RubberDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Iraq Afghanistan North Korea

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

So only 3-4 left to go :-)

Jk

But letting the dictator free reign is even worse, look at how many people putin has killed in the unnecessary agression of Ukraine. That's not some slight "suffering", that's death and everything that comes with it for the families left behind.

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[–] ravhall@discuss.online 84 points 3 days ago (46 children)

Oh noes, I bet lemmy.ml users all switch.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 85 points 3 days ago (6 children)

And nothing of value was lost

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[–] horse_tranquilizers@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Where are the tankie posts now?

[–] quant@leminal.space 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well confined in their instances for now. Wait until .ml and the Grad starts overflowing.

[–] rando@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

wait is there problem with .ml ? I've been using this account for more than an year. Is that the reason I see hexbear posts (I want to block this instance, but don't think it's possible from account)

[–] offspec@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

To put it lightly, the instance owner is sympathetic to grad and hexbear.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

.ml is basically Lemmygrad cosplaying as moderate. Your admins (the devs of Lemmy) are literal Tankies, your news community is full of disinformation and bans anyone who's spreading anti Tankie related comments, like the truth about Russia or China, or pro Western views.

!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works ctrl + f for .ml or use the search function and note the pinned threads.

[–] rando@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

I originally created account on .ml cause it's instance by devs. I will try to see how to switch instance (with all my content)

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It is actually possible to block an instance with your account. I heard Voyager and vanilla Lemmy allow this

[–] rando@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

found it, thanks for pointing it (I use Voyager). I may move instance if it's possible

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 69 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Anything involving a ministry in Russia is not a serious plan. They'll receive funding, hire a couple of bash script writers, well, maybe a couple of people who'll write drivers for Elbrus, Baikal or something that's sort of developed and produced in Russia, but nobody really uses it even in governmental structures.

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