I don't understand how this many people see everything that he's done and said, and still voted for him. I just do not understand. I don't want to live on the same planet as these people, nevermind in the same country.
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From what I've seen it's people angry at the status quo and looking for a change in a desperate effort.
This is exactly what happened with Brexit.
Just like with Brexit, geriatric brains still insisting that the world should be catering to THEIR demands. And similarly bitter that the world has moved on and they're all-but-obsolete.
Their votes are Boomer tantrums for attention.
Status-quo politics is dead, many major western parties just haven't realized this yet. People want firmer political leadership that promises fundamental change and isn't afraid of breaking things along the way.
It's just fucking unfortunate that (in most countries) it's only the far right who are ahead of the curve at realizing this.
Center to left parties need to reinvent themselves and focus less on pleasing everyone or fighting losing battles. They also need to present a much clearer vision.
For the record, we progressives in the US have been trying to foment that kind of attention. Messaging seems to be artificially limited by the corporate media, which is why groups like XR have had to resort to super glue hands onto the outer frames of art.
Every time we gain some momentum, serious violence appears, perfectly on schedule, to quell our desire for change.
This is what people do not seem to understand. Fascism has the backing of global capitalism. All of the multinationals and industries who have been top dogs for the entire industrial revolution — fossil fuel corporations, weapons manufacturing and the entire military industrial complex — all of the food supply chain, major media networks, social media networks, and big tech companies, who have built a more expansive surveillance apparatus than Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia — ALL of the leaders of the highly-centralized functional-monopolies of 21st C capitalism benefit from fascism. The 1/100 who says "not like this" is irrelevant.
They're all part of the big club (even if they are oblivious to it) and you aren't in it.
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Well, they're certainly going to get change, that's for sure. I hope they're happy sleeping in the bed they made.
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Because of Racism
Still, even the biggest racist should look at him and think: there has to be a better racist.
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It's not really all that complicated. The Democrats represent the status quo. The status quo sucks. The Republicans present themselves as an alternative to the status quo. So, people vote Republican.
All the centrist messaging just makes it worse. The Republicans can explain why things suck by scapegoating the poor and marginalized. But the Democrats won't call out the rich and powerful who are the actual reason things suck, so instead they just try to tell people that things don't suck at all. They "reach across the aisle" to people like Dick Cheney who are clearly part of the political establishment which only serves to help Trump present himself as an outsider. They adopt all these right-wing positions on immigration, the military, etc, but the people that appeals to already have a party waiting on them hand and foot, giving them exactly what they want. And all the bad shit he does doesn't matter to them because they believe in lesser evilism and hate the establishment.
Of course, Trump is part of the billionaire class and isn't any sort of real alternative to the existing system, but as long as Republicans are able to paint themselves that way, and are the only "alternative" game in town, people are going to turn to them when they dislike the way things are going, no matter how shitty they are.
I felt surprised and confused in 2016 when Trump won, but it's been 8 years. It's long past time to start figuring out where the Trump phenomenon came from.
Best take I've read so far. Racism/misogyny/stupidity etc are certainly all factors but this is the main issue, absolutely. Everything sucks and pretending it's all fantastic and nothing needs to change is a delusional campaign strategy
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Granted I don't understand those people, but this difference between now and 2020 is lack of support for Harris, not increased support for Trump. I'll add people sitting at home to the list of people I don't want to associate with.
Trump is so far outperforming compared to 2020, its looking like he did increase his support. Definitely among younger people his numbers are significantly better than 2020.
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I agree that people are stupid for not understanding how terrible Trump was and will be. However, I think a big problem was that the DNC didn't provide an attractive alternative to excite these dummies.
There was very obviously support for Harris early on when the DNC made some progressive decisions. Getting rid of Biden was a progressive choice. Choosing Tim Walz was a progressive choice. The DNC was immediately rewarded for these progressive choices with $1 billion in small donor donations.
The DNC got arrogant and decided to aggressively move in a conservative direction. Harris started talking about how she would build the wall and prosecute immigrants. The DNC welcomed the Cheneys with open arms. Harris told interviewers that she would be more conservative than Biden by accepting more Republicans in her Cabinet.
The DNC actively threw away their progressive supporters and gained absolutely nothing in return because the voters they were courting would never have voted for Harris anyway. Racists gonna vote Trump. Moderate conservatives gonna secretly vote Trump. People who want Republicans in a Presidential Cabinet are obviously gonna vote Trump.
If the DNC just focused on stuff like being pro choice or going into detail about fighting price gouging, that would have been much more successful than trying to attract the mythical "Moderate Conservative".
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I guess it's confirmed. Americans really are dumber than a bag of rocks.
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Great job, dipshits. I hope this personally impacts each and every person that voted for him.
Oh it definitely will. Just his tariff plans are gonna turn everywhere into a 3rd world country, not just the republican backwaters.
At this point, it's just desserts. The US had it coming for even letting him run in the first place. That being said, Republican backwaters are going to get fucked way harder than metro populations. Poor boomers are going to get wiped out without social security, Medicaid, or kids that love them anymore. The south can enjoy the next hurricane without FEMA aid. Have fun watching your loved ones get deported because you thought this only impacted "illegals", assholes. I have my popcorn ready.
Fuck em.
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It's going to impact an enormous amount of people who didn't vote for him either though.
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As an Australian watching this all unfold I just can't believe you guys did it again.
We can't either
Seconded. The first time I was willing to write it off as frustrated voters being misled by a conman. This time is different. You all had four years under this rapist conman and enough people decided they'd go back for seconds. Despicable.
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Jesus fucking Christ not again
Actually it's not gonna be "again". It's gonna be way, way worse.
I really feel for the billions of people, including my fucking self, who didn't get a vote but who still have to suffer the consequences of this.
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I can't fucking believe we did it to ourselves again I'm completely in shock, this is fucking ridiculous.
I would say the same thing but just drive a car somewhere some time. People are the stupidest most selfish garbage you can imagine. And nothing brings that behavior out of them like driving a car.
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The dumb bastards just gave Gaza to Bibi and Ukraine to Putin. And that is just a small part.
This is somehow less of a gut-punch than 2016 when everyone just assumed Americans would do the right thing and not elect Trump. It still sucks, but it’s less of a surprise. The writing was kind of on the wall for awhile though, just given the fact that the election was as close as it was. Even if Trump hadn’t won, that he was able to run the most garbage campaign in history and was still tying it up was pretty damning of America.
So now we watch as we just peacefully transfer power to the most vile, irresponsible person on Earth and watch the world burn.
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I guess people really do want fascism. We talk about it like it's an obviously-awful thing, but apparently most Americans disagree. Most people around the world seem to disagree, in fact. We laugh about the idiots voting for Trump, but far right lunatics are gaining positions of power all over the planet. It's not just Fox News-fed Americans.
It feels like we're building up to something catastrophic.
Fox News is a vestige of the 20th century. Social media is the 21st century Fox News. Everyone knows it's bad but we have not reckoned with it. Everyone agrees it's bad then everyone returns to scrolling their echo chamber.
Unfortunately the social media oligarchs side with Trump. We're all fucked.
Dear anyone that voted for this useless cunt,
You are fucking retarded. Thanks for ruining everything for the rest of us, dipshit.
With absolutely no love, any creature with an actual brain.
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And they won the Senate and are on track to win the house. The supreme Court is already in Trump's pocket and even if he choked on a big Mac and keeled over tomorrow that still leaves Vance, who is just as insane as trump but knows how to make his shit palatable to anyone who hasn't been paying attention, which as tonight proves is more than half the country. We are 1000% well and truly fucked.
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Welp, I'm going to skip work tomorrow and figure out how to get citizenship elsewhere. Fuck the US.
How much do you make? I'm up for some light marriage fraud if you'd like a Finnish citizenship.
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They don't see what he's done and what he's said. The people that put him over the edge this time were targeted for being ill-informed and tempted by magic wand campaign promises like "no tax on tips" or dumb things like gold sneakers. They aren't watching informed news or doing research about his past performance. They're simply voting on vibe alone and have been heavily targeted on social media to make them think everything sucks and he's the only one who can fix everything when in fact he's the complete opposite of them.
I'm REALLY Angry at the Economy which is why I voted for a Billionaire who Promised his Billionaire friends Cabinet Positions and Tax Cuts and other Treats at the Expense of ME!
Also he promised to Deport my Wife and Daughter and lock up my Gay friend which is a HUGE Plus!
Where do mariginalized people go now?
To the camps, I think?
I'll be there once he gets to the gay part of the list.
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Welp. Remember guys save money. Those tariffs are gonna hit hard. Make friends, they will help you get through harder times. Workout and become physically stronger, you may need it. Archive books and studies and pieces of knowledge that may get banned.
And for right now, drink some water and go to sleep. No need in worrying about this right now. We'll have plenty of time to do so anyways.
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