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Similar improvements for Trump among younger voters were cited in CNN's 2024 exit polling of more than 22,000 voters. In the last election, Biden beat Trump in this demographic by 23 points. This year, Harris' lead over Trump among those aged 18 to 29 was 13 points, a 10-point dip in the key demographic.

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[–] spector@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I've been saying this for a long time. Before Trump even. The left could not rely on liberal youth defaultism forever. I hate being right.

What really drove it home the direness was nobody else has been seeing it. Culturally younger people are just different some how. I mean every generation has its idiosyncrasies but people just couldn't get past that idea. Sounded like I was speaking in tongues to them I'm sure.

I could not put my finger on it. It's not the current slate of political issues like housing or whatever. It predates this. I used to chalk it up to internet skull fucking kids minds in ways the older generations cannot grasp.

I had hoped the political mega minds would be able to hone in on these things. Turns out they're all fucking clueless. Just winging it.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 53 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Anyone who hasn't read Kill all Normies by Angela Nagle, buy a copy (and ignore the name, it's anti-Trump). It's written about the first Trump election but seems more relevant now than in 2017.

The Right was able to weaponize online spaces far better than the Left, against all conventional wisdom that the Dems were the party of the young people and the Repubs for the older ones.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

I hear Hamas is modeling their insurgency after the vietnamese, so I'm reading Kill Anything That Moves about how the US prosecuted counter insurgency operation in vietnam, and why and how they won.

We should probably all start reading and prepping about how to keep safe under unsafe regimes.

[–] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 18 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Great, now I'm at the point of the post election grief cycle where I'm getting a bunch of books to try to figure out what happened. I remember this phase from 2016. Thanks for the recommendation for my list!

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It's convenient that they're already all written because we're repeating history.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

It's really short, I read the entire thing last night, but it probes into the right-wing online space deeper than any other scholarly resource I've read.

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 33 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Unaffordable higher education, lifetime debt, unaffordably housing, no real chance of owning a proper house, no prospect of employment which might pay for a comfortable life, a life their parents and especially their grandparents afforded easily.

Gee I wonder why young people are so pissed off.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 49 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

Yup and electing Trump will definitely make that better. Good luck with that.

Don't get me wrong, you want to watch the world that's unfair to you burn? That's fine by me, I'll bring the chocolates and marshmallows, just don't want to hear the youngins complain about the heat.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 2 points 8 minutes ago

Especially since the fucking asshole CEO of BlackRock that is buying all the homes to have us rent forever is one of the top 10 Trump donors... Any hope of homeownership in my lifetime is completely gone.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I dont know that that is even what his supporters want. Like half my co-workers vocally support him, and they seem to legitimately believe that he will just wave his magic wand or whatever and make gas and electricity and groceries cheaper, and make crime go away, and that then all the democrats will admit he wasnt so bad after all. Im not even sure what is worse, disillusioned anger being directed in completely counterproductive places, or whatever sheer delusion believing every promise in his word salad is

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 1 points 36 minutes ago

Why are you surprised that Trump voters are mentally defective?

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

This. I get people are angry but they need to step back and look at this for what to was. It was a bad Democrat campaign, from a party that is out of touch with voters. I don't blame Harris for this, I think she was a decent candidate given an impossible task.

The Dems did not contest Biden running despite obvious health concerns, then let him hold on til the bitter end dismissing all concerns, then had a coronation for Harris. Not very democratic and yet they made this election about democracy. And then they focused on abortion, as the main issue.

Yet voters concerns in the exit polls were clear - the number one issue was the economy. The dems failed to sell their message on the economy, they let Trump control the topic.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Why then vote for the guy who will kill any chance of having any sort of non post apocalyptic future ever again?

[–] wagesj45@fedia.io 8 points 3 hours ago

I'd imagine a certain percentage just want to do it as punishment. If they have to suffer and feel hopeless, everyone else can too. My guess is the biggest percentage, though, just have no idea what is going on and what any of this means.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 38 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

Yeah, Gen Z had better not talk about the lack of housing or how hard it is to make a living again after this. Whatever happens, you all made your bed and you best hope that you're getting what you voted for.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world -1 points 48 minutes ago* (last edited 46 minutes ago)

Typical boomer leadership. You lot shit the bed trying to take bribes and sell everyone out, then blame everyone but yourselves when you end up failing at literally everything, as if every Democrat owed you compliance with your horrific BS.

The democratic party lost ground in literally every single demographic thats measured, but you want to finger point as if one group is to blame. None of you should be in charge of anything.

When will you learn that the party was a coalition and that you dont have the power to go it alone and succeed, hrm? And that the right wingers are not your friends, and reaching across the aisle to people who want plainly evil outcomes is not some sort of virtue-- it just makes you weak and prone to lose. You have to make people want to come to you, no make deals to sell out your own to entice them onboard.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

We need a lot of stickers that say "Trump 2024 - You Did This" put it on gas pumps, in front of stores, hospitals...

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 26 points 4 hours ago

Honestly they'll probably provide massive subsidies to the oil companies to lower the price of gas while preserving the 2017 tax cuts and proposing more for rich people while Gen Z'ers will lose their college forgiveness but get a very temporary, very low tax cut.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 10 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Apparently young Americans don't want a future.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 0 points 27 minutes ago

People who supported a genocide shouldnt be lecturing anybody about anything after their poor campaign platform alienated the voters and lost the election.

Young Americans know to Never take advice or criticism from people you dont respect.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

I'm sure they do. Shame they chose poorly.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Basically democrats are losing: the youth, minorities, and the working class. They're gaining among white college-educated. They're also mildly gaining among women, but they were already the party of choice for non-white women. Crazy to see the democrats becoming the party of white privilege.

[–] skvlp@lemm.ee 17 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

When the initial disbelief wears off a little it becomes more clear that the democrats are not a very good alternative for people. If they were they should have won this by a landslide. Their current path seems like a dead end and they need some new thoughts.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (5 children)

This is a global problem, too.
The majority just wants bread, and all the left offers is morality.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 3 points 53 minutes ago

Maybe your left, I think the global left is trying to offer a lot more than that. Don't conflate Dems with useful politicians.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 2 points 1 hour ago

Morality is easy in some sense, it just requires thinking to figure it out, and in practice being the moral choice when the other side is this bad requires doing basically nothing at all. Retooling the economy to increase the wealth of average people, directly against the forces of the already wealthy seeking to suck up all the available wealth for themselves, is both much harder and requires being given an amount of power that's rarely won these days.

[–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago

Tbf, Democrats are centrist not left. It's just us politics collectively is so right leaning you folks don't have a real representative left leaning 3rd party. A real left party would institute policies to give everyone access to bread (so long as it isn't in short supply). It's absurd a country as big and rich as the US has such poor social support programs.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world -1 points 43 minutes ago* (last edited 43 minutes ago)

all the left offers is morality.

Gun waving, immigrant banning, genocide supporting, is.. morality?

[–] skvlp@lemm.ee 6 points 3 hours ago

Absolutely. And nobody seems able to stop the trend. We’re in dire need of some good thinking right now.

[–] terrifyingtuba@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Dems lost among the white college educated this cycle.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)