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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22241305

Jessica Corbett
Nov 06, 2024

"While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change," said the Vermont Independent. "And they're right."

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[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 100 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Sigh, this guy is my fucking hero, honestly. Can't believe Bernie still fights so hard for you guys after you did him so dirty.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 60 points 6 days ago

Remember, his candidacy was stolen from him by the DNC. If anyone has the right to rail at the DNC it is Bernie.

Where would the working class be right now if he’d been the 2016 guy?

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 5 days ago

Wut. Here he's fighting against the people who did him dirty

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 74 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

A reminder that the Harris campaign raised a mind-boggling amount of money this election cycle. They significantly outraised the Trump campaign (and lets face it, Trump was likely skimming off the top of whatever his campaign did raise.) What good did it do? Where did it all go?

https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 49 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Turns out, votes win elections not donations

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Right, but with that much money they could have paid for Ubers for all of their missing voters in PA/MI/WI to get to the polls, and possibly nationwide. I thought they said they had a superior GOTV operation. Where did the vote go?

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It also turns out, courting your opponents base isn't as helpful as rallying your own.

It went to a lot of automated text message spam and it was annoying as fuck

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 11 points 6 days ago

I remember this being talked about post-2016.

Basically the Democratic Party has a close relationship with their media buyers, who have a close relationship with their contacts in tv and radio station, newspaper and magazine rooms.

They do not want to cut these people loose because their jobs are at stake. Election spending keeps the lights on and keeps them employed.

The GOP shredded their version of those people after 2012 and never looked back.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Where does it go? The balance sheet should be public.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Oh you sweet summer child. Didn't you know that the DNC and RNC are private corporations? They don't have to show you anything and there is nothing you can do about it.

The court recognized that the DNC treated voters unfairly, but ruled that the DNC is a private corporation; therefore, voters cannot protect their rights by turning to the courts:

"To the extent Plaintiffs wish to air their general grievances with the DNC or its candidate selection process, their redress is through the ballot box, the DNC's internal workings, or their right of free speech — not through the judiciary."

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

Talking ideals here not actuals. Ofc they don’t. They should. But they don’t. I’m aware we live in a political duopoly.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 5 days ago

Because taking money from corporations and impleneting policies that they dictate, which would lead to continued mass extinctions, doesn't win elections.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 33 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Yes, but will democrats learn the lesson?

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They pulled in a lot of money, even if they lost. I wonder what kind of lesson that will be. Perhaps it's not all about money? Perhaps a platform that appeals to voters matters more? Nah... They got money. Corporate Democrats won't change.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 days ago

Democratic consultants will always advocate for whatever gets them paid the most... and they get paid whether they win or lose.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 11 points 6 days ago

We know. The DNC doesn’t care. Remember, RNC and DNC are money managers.

A lot of people spend a lot of good money specifically so they don't learn anything from this.

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Very recent history tells us no.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago

SLAAAAAAAMS