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After one Trump presidency and on the eve of another, it is now clear that a once mighty global superpower is allowing its gaze to turn inward, to feed off resentment more than idealism, to think smaller.

Public sentiment – not just the political class – feels threatened by the flow of migrants once regarded as the country’s lifeblood. Global trade, once an article of faith for free marketeers and architects of the postwar Pax Americana, is now a cancer eating away at US prosperity – its own foreign invasion.

Military alliances and foreign policy no longer command the cross-party consensus of the cold war era, when politics could be relied upon to “stop at the water’s edge”, in the famous formulation of the Truman-era senator Arthur Vandenberg.

Now the politics don’t stop at all, for any reason. And alliances are for chumps.

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[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 111 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes. When you elect a convicted criminal fascist with no guard rails or restraints, this will be the end of the United States as we know it.

Fascism has come.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 49 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not fair. You didn't mention that he's a rapist, racist and Jeffrey Epstein's closest friend.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

Possibly a pedophile as well

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)

ask again in 4 years when the rapist refuses to step down and his court lackeys back him on it

[–] Catma@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I dont think he makes it 4 years. He is just the means to an end. Vance i think 25th amendments him Jan 21, 2027. That way he wont serve 2 years and can run for 2 full terms. Its that or they just kill him. Dems will 100% get the blame and it could get even worse.

I think it is if you serve more than half a term it counts as 1 term for purposes of the 2 term limit.

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

You're cute that you think we'll have elections again. Before the midterms, they'll run a false flag operation so they can declare martial law and cancel elections.

"If I'm elected, you'll never have to vote again!"

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This has been my thought lately as well. Donald Trump is simply a convenient means to an end. He is so ignorant and narcissistic that he will never see it coming when he is eventually given the Julius Caesar treatment by the techno-fascists.

The real oligarchy that is actually wealthy instead of pretend wealthy is chomping at the bit to get in the big chair permanently. Now that there is ample precedent with multiple assassination attempts on Donald Trump's life, all they need to do is have him assassinated for real, declare martial law as you said, and then install their chosen dictator as the public lever puller.

They can blame this on whatever patsy is most convenient to allow them to swiftly tighten controls on an unsuspecting public. The ironic part being that in a twisted turn of fate, we may eventually end up in a situation where some of the people who got deported turn out to be the lucky ones. As Aimé Césaire warned, fascism is colonialism turned inwards, and whatnot...

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

We'll have elections just like Russia and China do

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This, of course, assumes he doesn't just drop dead of any one of a dozen age-related health issues one day.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 days ago (3 children)

If Trump dies in office, I'd prefer it to be a lighning strike while he's golfing.

Something that even the craziest of the MAGAts can't get away with blaming on the democrats.

[–] eccentric@lemm.ee 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If Trump dies in office, I'd prefer it to be a lighning strike while he's golfing.

Believe it or not, some of them believe Democrats control the weather. I can hear it now, "Democrats assassinated Trump with lightning!"


"They" can control the weather, and the proof is in the patents, said Georgia Republican U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene.

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[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You think the Jewish space laser people won’t just immediately start screaming that the Haitians have built a lightning shrine on the island or something like that? We are no longer bound by reality in reporting, much less truth

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 47 points 4 days ago

"The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it." - George Carlin

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 64 points 4 days ago (2 children)

american dream was lost a while back. now its a matter of losing american sanity.

[–] wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The American dream has changed so many times through the generations I'm not sure there's any cohesive vision. I remember it used to be owning a house, having kids, and being self sufficient. Nowadays I don't think young people even want kids- having time and money to have fun seems like the dream, which is sort of... bleak? That should be the bare minimum, but the older generations failed them.

[–] vanontom@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I'm still amazed at the catastrophic damage one single generation can do to a country, voting for terrible policies over and over again (Reagan, Bush, Trump). Refusing to admit when things are not working, turning instead to a propaganda apparatus, preferring to detach from reality. And they're not even done (dead) yet...

[–] wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 days ago

Their hold is so strong we elected a guy with dementia over a healthy qualified person. At this point only death canl release their grasp

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago

The Republican war on the middle class is what's killed the American Dream. Doing everything possible to reduce the buying power of white and blue-collar workers has gutted class mobility. The Democrats have played along to keep shifting the Overton Window towards the right to help make it happen. Donors happy all around as they move production offshore for low labor cost.

System working as intended.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 66 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes. One of the parties has embraced dictatorship. Democracy cannot continue in that environment.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 days ago

If I can quote the late George Carlin: "They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."

I would argue that George was right and the American dream doesn't exist, and never existed. You cannot destroy that which does not exist..

[–] PoopSpiderman@lemmy.world 53 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I still think a bloody class war would go a long way.

[–] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 68 points 4 days ago (2 children)

More than half your class is too busy licking their boots to unite against them. They’re grateful for the scraps they’re being given, while worshipping their masters.

[–] PoopSpiderman@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I completely agree. That’s why Fox News exists. It was meant to create the bootlickers, and create the division.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There's a lot more than Fox out there echoing the narrative that times are hard, inflation is killing you, and there aren't enough homes to go around. Wapo and NYT would happily recount Trump's claims that it's because immigrants are taking all the houses and jobs while Biden policies are making everything expensive. Doesn't matter if they follow up with long-winded explanations that his claims aren't true, because most people stop listening when they hear there's someone to blame.

[–] PoopSpiderman@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You make excellent points. The divide in this country was well researched, and well planned. The fears, and insecurities of the conservative base have been coddled, and amplified to great effect.

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[–] john89@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Everyone reading this right now should recognize that America will be on a steady decline for the rest of our lives.

There's no point in waiting for it to improve. There's no point in waiting for it to fall.

Just accept that it is a trend that will not end while we are still living. Don't waste your life waiting for the day that never comes.

[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Could have settled into a northern Europe socialist type country. Good social safety net, good labor laws. Instead the country is going the way of petty, central American, dictatorships.

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

That would be nice.

Americans have proven that they don't want anything that reduces the disparity in wealth, though.

That's why democrats nominated Hillary Clinton instead of Bernie Sanders in 2016, resulting in a Trump presidency. I also think that if Trump didn't win in 2016, he wouldn't have had a better chance in 2020 or 2024. So I actually blame 2 Trump presidencies on the people who voted for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 Democrat Primary.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago (3 children)

What this person is asking you to do is roll over and accept defeat. To embrace the fall into Fascism without a fight.

Don't listen to people like this. America declines because we let it decline. Fight like hell for a better world, please.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

Pfft, they havent lost faith in it. They just voted against it because they're all uneducated morons who take lies at face value.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago

I've been thinking a lot about this, like others, and found one kernel of hope to hang onto: the only way to know a democracy is safe from internal threats is to test that democracy. This is that test. This is the tyranny of the minority that the founding fathers were worried about. This is the stress test for democracy and I pray wiser men have stymied the most malicious people in American history.

If we get through this, and are faced with another Reconstruction period, we must be diligent and exterminate bigotry and corporate undermining of government bodies.

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[–] hohoho@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago

Right wing propaganda networks pumping out fear of immigrants 24/7 was all too successful. We need to find ways to combat this and the type of drivel this article purveys. We have to find ways of coming together instead of letting these populist movements divide and conquer.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

There are worse ways to spend your life than chasing the American dream. But once you've found it, like I did in Vegas, what's called the old Psychiatrist's Club, then it is kind of puzzling. You feel kind of naked and alone out there, because once you've found the dream, it is generally just a slab of burned-out concrete in Las Vegas called the old Psychiatrist's Club, then it's kind of hard to go on from there on the same.

  • Hunter S. Thompson, November 1, 1977, Lecture at the University of Colorado (Boulder)
[–] pregnantwithrage@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago
[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

The US has lost faith in the american dream and the world has lost faith in the US.

We're moving on!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

Yes.

Yes it is.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago

The american dream hasn't been a reality for decades

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