As much as I love to hate on apple, any of this format shit is 100% Windows bullshit. It's not just pictures, with shit like webm, or some random video codecs it'll ask you to FUCKING BUY! But even shit like Windows only supporting some like 3 file formats from the god knows how many out there. Ever since I switched to Linux (heck, even fucking MacOS would do better) all this stopped being an issue. Fuck windows for literally only supporting their special selection of formats. There's a good reason why the first step of many people installing windows is also Installing VLC or MUCH superior image viewers. Because Microsoft chooses to not support most things out there!
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How many distros support h264/265 out of the box? They probably don't support most HEIC images either since they're HEVC on the inside
Exactly. Android's default image format is HEIC as well. Jpeg is outdated and needs to die already.
All my default photos are jpg. What's wrong with that?
JPG is not bad, but it uses more storage space for the same quality compared to HEIC/HEIF
Windows now supports other formats than BMP. It's already a huge progress.
PCX 😒
Have you got compatibility turned on in the photos app?
I didn't take the photos.
This is not a coincidence, Apple purposefully make it painful to use anything with any of their products unless it's one of their products
This is not an Apple thing. Android phones use HEIC by default as well. This is a good thing. HEIC uses smaller file sizes and has fewer artifacts than JPEG.
Yea ... no, sorry to say but this one's on Microsoft. I get it, hurr durr Apple expensive and elitist, but they know where to put up their walled garden and where not to. For example they used to have their own video container .mov but they're way past forcing something like that onto iPhone users. And even back then, the actual codec they committed themselves to in those days was H.264, a standard that's open to adoption by anybody. You can easily turn an old .mov into an .mp4 or .mkv without needing to alter the actual content of the file and that content is playable by pretty much every media device built in the last 15+ years.
HEIC isn't Apple's thing it's from the MPEGroup, also easily licensable by anybody. I guess the reason why it wasn't part of Windows 10 from the beginning is because they both came out in mid 2015. Windows 10 seems to have adopted it for viewing (and later editing) in 2018 but they make you hit a stupid download button in their store to get it so that's lame.
Yep. Lack of format support is usually to blame on the one who doesn't support the format. You can absolutely blame Apple for this too though, their apps can't open e.g. Matroska video or FLAC.
And perplexingly, they don't support uploading HEIC, their own image format of choice, on the web iCloud Photos. So there's that too.
(At this point my music library is stored as ALAC because it's well supported in both Linux and Apple's OSes. Really wish it wouldn't have to be that way though. Someone needs to tell them about ffmpeg.)
For example they used to have their own video container .mov
It's always very very funny every time someone mentions MOV, because while it's very similar to MP4, it's actually an open format while MP4 isn't (!). You actually have to pay for the MP4 standard document while Apple just gives you the MOV documentation.
Also at least taking a screen capture on macOS still gives you a MOV container, actually.
Apple made ALAC as an alternative to FLAC due to the dubious licensing around FLAC at the time.
well there ain’t no more licensing issues now are there
Yes they are no longer scared of the licensing enough most modern Apple devices do have at least some FLAC support.
Also ALAC is a free and open source codec which also has wide support.
And with a tool like FFMPEG you can easily convert between the two and they are both lossless so there is no data lost in the conversion.
So really just use whichever you like it really doesn’t matter.
since you seem to be knowledgeable about this, i wanna ask: do you think one should use .opus or .ogg as the file extension for OPUS files?
I think both work since opus is the codec but ogg is the container, but personally I’d probably go with .opus because it’s more descriptive.
Btw Apple’s ALAC and AAC files are typically stored in an mp4 container but with the m4a extension to mark it as intended to be audio only (although it may have a video track, which usually is used for album art).
HEIC is a much better-compressed format than JPEG that all Androids support; iirc JPEG XL (kinda dead) and Google's WebP are the only other big-name formats with better photographic compression. Windows was the only major operating system that chose to have consumers separately pay the patent fee, none of which goes to Apple. Since Windows 11 22H2, HEIC images work out-of-the-box.
Webp breaks my balls, save a pic from online and it saves with the chrome logo and then doesnt work.
It's kinda paradoxical. It's undersupported simply because people don't like it because it's undersupported. At least all browsers can open it well.
Back when I was on windows I would rename .webp to .jpg (or was it .png, it’s been a long time) and it would open. Now I’m on Linux and it just works.
Better-compressed in saved Mbytes, but comparing images, that compression somehow looks more...fake. Hard to describe how.
For W10, you install an app to get the codec, then you’re done. It’s built in on W11. Same as HEVC video which is used very commonly in piracy. Are pirates out to make it “purposefully painful” or are they just using modern codecs? Android also can save to HEIC or AVIF.
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I just plug a cable from my iPhone to my Linux mint laptop and view/transfer what photos I want through my file browser… seems real easy.
You could use KDE Connect and do it wirelessly as well. Who needs cables for anything but charging these days?
I use the cable to charge my phone. Am I the only person still doing this?
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GIMP opens HEIC and WEBP files and it's available on all operating systems.
You can change this in Settings > Camera > Formats > choose Most Compatible to change from HEIF/HEVC to JPEG/H.264
EDIT: I use XnViewMP to browse photos and it can convert HEIC to JPG and HandBrake can handle HEVC to MP4 or MKV.
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