Saving this for later when a need to compile a linux kernel arises.
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Had to do it for uni.
Building and compiling is really easy. Kernel programming in Linux, on the other hand, is a nightmare with how bad the documentstion is.
Saving this for later when a need to get massive levels of frustration, so massive that I will be punching my screen, arises. (Can't wait!)
Configuring and building the Linux kernel is actually pretty nice and easy. The main thing that’s frustrating in my experience is just if you need to add a kernel module for a new device or something. It’s not really a big deal, just like “oh, I need to enable the drivers for this”.
Wow am I so old that this isn’t a normal thing anymore?
I've been using Linux as my main desktop/laptop operating system since 2018 and I've never compiled a kernel, if that's any indication. I've never needed to I guess. Might be fun to tinker with sometime but I don't think any Linux noobs would be inclined to compile their own kernel these days.
I have been using 10+ distros and never compiled pretty much any regular package I use daily
I’ve been using Linux since RedHat 3.0.3 and when Gentoo first came around I was rebuilding kernels left and right. Then with Arch I continued it trying to get the absolute best performance I could out of old hardware. Nowadays I float back and forth between Windows and MacOS (ease of use) but still have several headless Linux systems in the house I can mess around in. It’s been years since I’ve compiled a kernel from scratch but I’m sure it’s even more user friendly now.
I haven't done it in ages, but from what I remember, there wasn't anything much to it.
Nah it’s pretty straight forward. Just telling the compiler what to compile in for your situation and then compile. Sure you can compile in kernel modules you will never see in binary builds but in today’s hardware it’s nearly pointless.
Most of the time the kernel is built by distro packaging these days, you're really only down and dirty with it if you need to patch the source yourself.
Flashbacks of Gentoo 🙃
omg me too... a much nerdier friend of mine told me to install Gentoo on my first custom build back in the early aughts. printed out the guide and spent over a week 24/7 compiling everything with an athlon 64 3500+... and had never used Linux before this... good times, man.
Same. Still running Gentoo 20 years later.
Still compiling qtwebkit? :)
There's a lot to love about Gentoo. I miss it dearly, but I've been using NixOS lately and have been very happy with it too. It's just quite a lot easier to maintain and the model for packages makes it a lot easier to set up binary caches and stuff... Still, there's something very cozy about our dear portage :).
TBF most of that compilation time was probably just gcc lol.
Like, follow the kernels built-in compile guide?
I am wondering if this really makes the system tailor your hardware better, with all its potential. Has anyone done measurements?
If you want a system wide performance boost you need to rebuild everything rather than just the kernel. You'll typically see a 10-15% performance boost by building everything for a more modern target like x86-64-v3 (Skylake era) over x86-64. Again, that's rebuilding the entire OS - all packages - not just the kernel. I think phoronix has some benchmark numbers on this from a couple of years ago if you want to dig into it. On Arch there's an unofficial repo that builds everything for the -v3 target and people seem to have good results. I think RHEL and/or Fedora were considering moving the entire distro to v2 or v3 but I haven't paid attention to how that turned out.
Edit: here's the arch user effort for -v3, it looks like all of the harting.dev links are dead: https://somegit.dev/ALHP/ALHP.GO
cachyos is an arch-based distro, which has a large repository for v3-compiled binaries and soon they'll have also repo for v4. kernels are already compiled for v3 and v4. it's also by far my favorite distro at the moment.
Do you know what AMD ryzen equivalent that would be?
Anything 1xxx series or later for sure. I'm not sure what the lower bound is.
What does /usr/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 --help say on the system you're wondering about?
-v2 is just about everything after 2011ish, if it was made more recently than 2016 -v3 almost certainly is supported.
Nice timing -- been trying to figure out a way to enable gpu support on the Orange pi zero 3 those last few days and this guide might help me w/ it.