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[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 54 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

This is a stupid take as well. There is also evidence that the federation does practice the correction of birth defects and disabilities when appropriate.

And why would they not? Allowing such impairments to exist when the medical technology to prevent it is available seems insanely unethical to me. Like breeding pugs because if people stopped doing that the breed would cease to exist, ignoring the fact that being a pug is a miserable existence for the animal.

I believe the most sensible policy for the federation (and us in real life) would be to correct any and all birth defects, disabilities and impairments wherever possible, while accommodating and fostering compassion and acceptance for the cases where it is not possible.

Disabled people are not lesser than anyone else and should have the same capacity to participate in society, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try everything to prevent people from being disabled.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Plus in Geordie's case, his visor gives him better than normal sight. He can look at parts of the electromagnetic spectrum other than the visible wavelengths, so restoring his natural sight would have been giving him a handicap rather than removing one.

Also the whole "that disability is a part of who they are" sounds a lot like reducing people to their disabilities. Like it's one thing if there's nothing that can be done or if the best we can do isn't enough to cause it to no longer be a disability, then they should be accepted disability and all. But it's another thing if the disability could be corrected or made redundant (like Geordie's visor giving him better than normal vision).

I don't think the timing will work out for me, but if cybernetics get going during my lifetime, I'd consider getting augmentations. A coprocessor and memory expansions would be great, though I'd probably need tin foil hats or a magneto helmet to protect from solar flares and EMPs.

It's crazy to me that some people think improving people's capabilities, disabled or not, is unethical. No one bats an eye if someone gets a broken arm set properly to avoid it becoming a disability.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Allowing such impairments to exist when the medical technology to prevent it is available seems insanely unethical to me.

There's a not insignificant minority of the deaf population who believes that there should be no "cure" to deafness researched or put into practice because they believe it will destroy their community to have children receive this cure at birth. They literally want to deny children the ability to hear, even though we might be able to cure deafness with genetic engineering or other tech

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am aware of that sentiment and consequently find it selfish and ethically objectionable. While I understand that a special bond is formed this way, that happens anyway between halfway decent parents and their offspring because they love each other.

That is not a good enough reason to deny your child one of its senses.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Ok, but I think speaking people need to understand the Deaf perspective as more than just “community” but as also being informed by speaking people, especially experts and medical professionals routinely disregarding the needs and wants of Deaf people to force us into their society. After all CODAs are Deaf too.

For context, I’m a hard of hearing woman who was, at the suggestion of experts, “mainstreamed” (ie my parents were told not to learn sign language or teach it to me because I might prefer it to spoken language), my mother and grandmother also had that experience. I feel cheated out of community, culture, and communication. I learned some sign as an adult but it should’ve been a native language because it’s a language I don’t need assistive devices for

Cochlear implants are great! They’re also uncomfortable to learn to use and painful at first even for adults. But when the question comes up as to whether young children should get them we’re treated as crazy for saying that the child should be taught sign language and given a choice. But instead hearing parents of deaf children usually don’t bother learning sign language.

We might start trusting y’all when you start demonstrating that you care more about what’s best for us than what makes us easier to deal with for y’all.

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[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 3 points 1 day ago

There was an episode of scrubs about that

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

This is the breath of fresh air this dumb post made me need. Thank you.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 63 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My only problem with this is that Geordi made it clear more than once that not only would he rather just be able to see, but that his VISOR caused him constant pain. I wouldn't really call that accommodating for his blindness if that's what was required to get into Starfleet later.

And, of course, that was what made it so impactful when he finally had eyes that worked.

And then there was Melora on DS9. Starfleet could have done so many things to fulfill her dream of traveling the stars without having her be stuck in the chair in near-1g environments or accept Bashir's treatments. In fact, the only reason so few Elaysians ever left their homeworld was that everyone else was fine with 1g and no one gave a shit about their needs.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Geordi made it clear more than once that not only would he rather just be able to see, but that his VISOR caused him constant pain

it was also suggested that his visor was "superior to human eyes". star trek is habitually inconsistent about its world and sometimes it is better not to think about it too much.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I don't think that's contradictory at all though.

Geordi wanted to be able to see [naturally], but his visor is superior to human eyes in that it can see things that humans can't naturally see.

To put it a different way: a person with advanced bionic legs that never tire, could run far faster than any natural human, and bend in ways that human legs can't, would have superior legs. But there wouldn't be anything wrong with their stance if they said "yeah but I just want normal human legs".

[–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Geordie's new eyes were still bionic though weren't they? It's been a while, but I'm sure I remember him using them to search for someone in the movie.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Yes, they're still bionic

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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

https://youtu.be/bqm_Iq8rFeg?t=16

"Surely by the 24th century, they would have found a cure for male pattern baldness." Gene Roddenberry had the perfect response.

"No, by the 24th century, no one will care."

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let it be known, however, that Gene did say this after aggressively petitioning against Patrick Stewart as Captain. His baldness was specifically mentioned. According to Patrick anyway

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

well, he didn't mention that in the bloody video. I blame Patrick Stewart for making me look like a fool.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Patrick has been telling this story for a while at the panels, Frakes and others will tell it too. Sometimes it comes with that caveat and sometimes not. I'll see if I can find the clip where he talks about that.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Meanwhile Shatner was stealing half a dozen of Kirk's toupées every season...

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 28 points 1 day ago

The point about accomodation is the key here.

If being born without functioning legs isn't actually an impediment or challenge because society makes allowances for people without legs, then it's no longer a handicap!

If a blind person has options beyond merely having their sight "restored" to that of the baseline "normal", then they have options that might open up paths that regularly sighted people don't have, in which case their unique trait of being blind becomes an asset.

There's the secret to the utopia Star Trek positsv not that we try to "cute" everyone born different, but that we instead create opportunities for them to thrive as they are. In the future of Star Trek, the word "disability" is probably alien to them. Rather, they would describe someone in our time with such challenges as "disenfranchised" because we don't offer them opportunities.

[–] jumperalex@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"curing at birth" != "Eugenics"

Still, the spirit of accommodation is spot on.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

They're not totally wrong either, just missing a step and leaving a gap.

Genetic engineering is strictly outlawed in the UFP which came about from the Eugenics wars.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I see names being mentioned and It’s problematic when someone assumes disabilities by armchair diagnosing characters with a disability and then defend it as if it were true.

“I assume normies would find this character annoying as they have some quirky, slight misunderstandings of personal boundaries so I’m going to attribute them with ‘being on the spectrum’”

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That isn't happening though.

Geordi is blind, Julian was genetically engineered to remove a learning disability and Tilly is stated as having special needs while being aggressively autistically coded.

The only one that doesn't have something directly pointing towards it is Barclay but that man is the textbook definition of Aspergers Syndrome and people have been saying it for decades. It's not like his issues are minor either. They're a significant core component of the character.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

Just FYI, "Asperger's Syndrome" is no longer used as a medical term and some ND people do not care for it being used at all because it divides people on the autism spectrum unnecessarily, especially since there's no real separation in terms of symptoms. Everything falls under "autism spectrum disorder" (ASD) now.

https://www.healthline.com/health/autism/why-is-the-term-aspergers-no-longer-used#the-removal-of-aspergers

(I realize you didn't mean to offend, just letting you know.)

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago

Very few characters are ever seen wearing glasses.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Why the fuck is Julian mentioned here along with the actually differently abled characters? He was genetically enhanced as a youth because his parents thought he was a little slow.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well... you just sort of answered why.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I just feel like, at best, he's more of an example of the other camp. He didn't have anything wrong with him, his parents just wanted him to be more.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In Bashir's own words:

"Small for my age, a bit awkward physically, not very bright. In the first grade, while the other children were learning how to read and write and use the computer, I was still trying to tell a dog from a cat, a tree from a house. I didn't really understand what was happening. I knew that I wasn't doing as well as my classmates. There were so many concepts that they took for granted that I couldn't begin to master and I didn't know why. All I knew was that I was a great disappointment to my parents."

When he talks to his parents about it they talk about how they saw him "fallling farther behind each day" and that's why they did the treatments. They loved him and did want him to be more, but the cause was quite clearly a learning or mental disability of some variety. The treatments started at 7 years old and first grade would have been at 5 or 6. If you're not able to tell a tree from a house at 5 or 6 then there's something far more wrong than simply being slow.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago
[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Accessibility features on phones and computers have made so much possible over time, it’s fantastic.

It turns out thinking outside the box of common leads to great experiences.

[–] darthsid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They could solve racism by ensuring everyone has the same colour at birth! /s

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The only thing I can think of whenever I hear that is, hilariously, an episode of Fairly Odd Parents.

Timmy wished for everyone to be a grey blob so racism couldn't exist. People still kept saying they were grey-er or blobbier.

People just gonna hate.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honestly that show was and is so far ahead it needs a cameo ship in trek. It would be like other federation ships, with nacelles that look like wings and a little crown floating nearby.

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[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Or they could just bang each other. In fact I'm kind of alarmed at how decidedly unmixed people still are in whatever year it is supposed to be

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