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Depending on how the next four years go I'm on the fence between Bush Jr. and Trump but I'd like to hear from you

Edit:

Top 10 suggestions so far (unordered):

  • Andrew Jackson
  • Andrew Johnson
  • George W. Bush Jr
  • Ronald Reagan
  • Richard Nixon
  • James K. Polk
  • Woodrow Wilson
  • James Buchanan
  • Franklin Pierce
  • Donald J. Trump
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[โ€“] watson387@sopuli.xyz 103 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Ronald Reagan did more damage to this country than any president before or after him.

[โ€“] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 56 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Before or after him so far

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[โ€“] AndrasKrigare@beehaw.org 27 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I'm continually shocked by how often I learn of some structural systemic issue, pull the thread to see where it started and- oh, surprise, it was once again Reagan.

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[โ€“] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 55 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (17 children)

While W. sucked in many ways, there is no way he is the worst. Off the top of my head I can easily think of four better contenders: Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan (both guilty of pro-slavery fuckery before the Civil War), Andrew Johnson (fought to let the Confederates off the hook after the war and opposed the 14th amendment), and Donald Trump (first president to be impeached twice, first to be convicted of a felony, and may be remembered by future historians as the spark that ignites the next Civil War).

[โ€“] adarza@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 month ago

donvict ain't done yet, either. i think the damage and legacy he leaves behind, leaking out that giant diaper, will be the worst of the bunch.

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[โ€“] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 49 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'd probably say someone like Andrew Jackson before even thinking about Trump being the worst. Jackson did a literal genocide with the Indian Removal Act

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[โ€“] Nemo@slrpnk.net 47 points 1 month ago (12 children)

It's tempting to pick someone recent, but the real answer is probably Andrew Jackson. He successfully engineered a genocide, trampled the Constitution and human rights, and was actively hostile to limits on Presidential power.

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[โ€“] TheDrink@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Andrew Jackson and it's not even close. Not to downplay the horrible crimes committed by many of our other presidents but I don't think anything rises to the level of the Trail of Tears.

Remove Jackson from the running and it's a more interesting conversation, however thinking about it reveals just how interconnected all of this stuff is. While the current genocide is occurring under Biden, we can't forget that the conditions that lead to Oct 7 were created under Trump. For that matter so were the conditions that lead to the escalation of the war in Ukraine.

I think the worst in my lifetime by a mile is Dubya, but while his wars were massive and consequential we can't forget that George Senior also killed scores of people in Iraq, and Clinton carried out the sanctions regime that killed scores more. Clinton was also the one who broke Labor's influence within the Democratic Party - but it was Obama who was swept into power on the promise of a working class revolution only to smother it in its crib.

But yeah my top two are Jackson and Dubya but beyond that I'm not sure there are a lot of crimes in the history of America's presidency.

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[โ€“] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago (25 children)

putting trump in the top 5 is lib shit

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[โ€“] KurtVonnegut@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Woodrow Wilson was so racist that he was quoted in an epigraph for "The Birth of a Nation." You know, the 1915 movie about how awesome the KKK was, which became the first true "blockbuster" film and which led to a huge resurgence in KKK activity. Not only that, but Woodrow Wilson also personally invited the filmmakers to screen the movie in the White House - the first movie ever screened in the White House, by the way. Honorable mention!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_a_Nation#/media/File:Wilson-quote-in-birth-of-a-nation.jpg

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[โ€“] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

lol trump is bad but not like Andrew Jackaon bad.

Probably

  1. Andrew Jackson - Crimes against native people
  2. Andrew Johnson - Fucked up reconstruction
  3. Ronald Reagan - Trickle down economics
  4. 45/47 ๐Ÿคฎ - We all know why...
  5. Richard Nixon - The Infamous Crook

Might have some memory gaps, but these are what I can remember from the top of my head.

[โ€“] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago (5 children)

If you think Trump is worse than no-oil you're telling everybody that you think norms are more important than a million dead brown people

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[โ€“] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 20 points 1 month ago

Reagan definitely deserves a top 5 spot.

I dunno, Nixon's fuckery is downright provincial these days.

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[โ€“] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 month ago
[โ€“] SoyViking@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

George Washington. This thing should have been nipped in the bud.

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[โ€“] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How is it even close between Dubya and Trump like honestly Bush started the war on terror, killing and displacing millions.

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[โ€“] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 21 points 1 month ago (6 children)

andrew jackson (or johnson can never remember which) for the trail of tears. absolutely awful

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[โ€“] xiao@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 month ago

This question is too difficult, there are too many candidates...

[โ€“] shreddingitlater@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think I have Trump derangement syndrome but for Bush Jr. instead cause very few people make my blood boil just by seeing their face like that scum.

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[โ€“] Today@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I would hire nucular George every day for the next 4 years to get rid of the orange dipshit.

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[โ€“] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

me if enough of you write in "EstraDoll" in 2028

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