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They went to the best universities in China and in the West. They lived middle-class lives in Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen and worked for technology companies at the center of China’s tech rivalry with the United States.

Now they are living and working in North America, Europe, Japan, Australia — and just about any developed country.

Chinese — from young people to entrepreneurs — are voting with their feet to escape political oppression, bleak economic prospects and often grueling work cultures. Increasingly, the exodus includes tech professionals and other well-educated middle-class Chinese.

“I left China because I didn’t like the social and political environment,” said Chen Liangshi, 36, who worked on artificial intelligence projects at Baidu and Alibaba, two of China’s biggest tech companies, before leaving the country in early 2020. He made the decision after China abolished the term limit for the presidency in 2018, a move that allowed its top leader, Xi Jinping, to stay in power indefinitely.

“I will not return to China until it becomes democratic,” he said, “and the people can live without fear.” He now works for Meta in London.

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[–] Transcendant@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You can't exploit it. I know some people won't like to hear this, but Chinese expats are a security risk if they have any family still in China. It's well known at this point that the Chinese gov threatens family members to pressure and blackmail residents abroad to perform espionage.

[–] MonosyllabicAmerican@lemmynsfw.com 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

100%. How many instances were there where they just straight up stole resources/IP? CCP backed Industrial sabotage and IP theft is very much a concern.

[–] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

My old company started a collaboration with a Chinese government subsidiary to get market access. When they announced it at a company meeting they almost literally said, "yes, we know they are trying to steal our IP"

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not to mention the recent string of hacking groups that have clearly had internal information.

They accessed an air-gapped system at Microsoft because they knew who to target.

They stole an expired cert out of a stacktrace that was moved from the air-gapped system to a compromised developer machine. They then were able to use this expired cert as part of an exploit chain.

[–] Transcendant@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That whole episode was crazy to read about. Like hollywood-grade hacking skills

[–] genfood@feddit.de -2 points 1 year ago

Proper integration is needed, and I mean really really good integration, gov. funded!

[–] oDDmON@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Most of the emigrants I spoke to, explaining why they did not pick the United States, cited America’s complicated and unpredictable process for applying for visas and permanent resident status.

Am honestly surprised our volatile political landscape didn’t figure into the equation more.

[–] soloner@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

America's politics are probably the last thing on their mind.

Sounds like a win-win to me?

[–] Something_Complex@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

This article was written by your he Chinese secret services in order to easy the integration of their spies

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

Nytimes

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