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I seriously cannot have any degree of nuanced conversation here.

Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.

The result just feels like an echo chamber where no actual solutions get presented other than someone posting whole ass dissertations on their 33-step (where 30/33 steps are about as vague as "we'll just handle it") plan to fully convert the world to an anarchist commune.

Edit: I still vastly prefer Lemmy and the fediverse and a whole, my complaint here is that many of you are TOO INTENSE. You blow up small scale discussion.

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 points 10 months ago

I feel like many people here are literally unreasonable. Any person with any faith at all is an idiot, all enlightened atheists are superior... FuckCars seems to be leaking and anyone who has to drive for their job is hated on... Linux is the only option, you should never, ever use Windows for anything... etc...

Like, not everything is black and white! The real world is shades of grey and often requires compromise. But the loudest voices here seem to be extremists that slap down any comment that isn't 100% what they believe in. It's exhausting...

[–] spaduf@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 months ago

It's a shame that this discussion so frequently centers around the political discussions, but this has definitely seeped into the broader discourse. Short, low-effort comments with no actual content are nearly always at the top. The only solution I can see is to create some heavily moderated spaces where low-effort comments will not fly, but we've seen time and time again that lemmy users are more anti-moderation than most.

[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

See? Even the post criticizing the lack of nuance says everyone thinks capitalism ia bad. :D

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.

That is literally why my instance finally defederated from .ml Every 3rd comment from someone there was exactly that regardless of what community you were in. It was exhausting. Lemmygrad and Hexbear were already blocked here, and once the .ml peanut gallery was gone, it was like "wow, this is kind of enjoyable again".

Do I miss a few FOSS communities that were more active there than their counterparts elsewhere? Yeah, a little. But, overall, the experience is just so much better after they were blocked. It's not even that I really disagree with them on everything, it's just....STFU already, stop brigading, and maybe say something constructive for once.

[–] GlitterInfection@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I find Lemmy significantly worse than reddit was in this regard. The number of times I've had my different (not unpopular outside of lemmy) opinion met immediately with personal insults is way higher here in the few months I've been here than my years with reddit.

I've just been learning not to engage on any of the lemmy propaganda areas, and that leaves me with a lot less active communities.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I agree, and attribute that to the kind of people who would boycott Reddit forever, where the largest part of the lemmy population seems to originate from.

As much as I roll my eyes at the overuse of the term, lemmy is mostly comprised of the "woke"est of the reddit population.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy is less ban happy than reddit, so I don't mind throwing down in the comments. Do your part, fight against stupidity.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not less ban happy at all.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Reddit will ban you from some subs just for commenting in other subs, no way it's as bad here

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Well, entire instances are banned (defederated), sometimes for barely any reasons. Sooo it's even worse

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

They also have a reddit-scale visceral hatred for religion lmao

[–] hono4kami@pawb.social 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The replies of this comment is the reason I'm tired of using the whole Fediverse.

[–] emptiestplace@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Religion is fucking bad, though: without hyperbole, it is and always has been a scourge on our collective existence.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But religious people aren't always bad and that seems to get lost on here.

[–] june@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

It’s hard to trust religious people. I grew up a fundie christian and nearly every Christian I’ve ever known has hurt me with their faith. Trusting religious people feels like repeating a trust fall with people who routinely decide not to catch you. And then people get mad at me for not wanting to engage anymore.

Are all religious people bad? Of course not. Has my experience been one that has constantly affirmed that religious people, namely christians, cand be trusted? Absolutely. So what am I supposed to do in this case?

[–] ricdeh@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

I find it more concerning that you appear to be a bootlicker for religion

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It is quite often that responses seem to come from school age children who just discovered [insert edgy counter-culture ideology], and all of their responses and world views revolve around a rudimentary desire for that ideological utopia, with very little consideration given to sociology or economics. I suppose that is actually who's responding a lot of the time. All real world considerations are discarded, and any issues you identify are perceived as stupid/shill/Trumper/dummy/capitalist drivel with zero consideration given.

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Welcome to the Internet? It's not just Lemmy lol

[–] hono4kami@pawb.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, but I feel like it's worse in Reddit and even WAY worse in here. I'm not sure I wanna keep using Lemmy anymore. Or threadiverse as a whole

[–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Agree. Reddit was the same thing if not worse. Nuance is [apparently] dead and if you do not explain everything from the dawn of Man to cover your thought, people pick the comment apart like carrion as if you've never thought about anything deeply before. They might even gloss over things you did say and attempt to invalidate or discredit your post because only they hold the Truth of the Internet handed down from the Elders. It can be a bit frustrating.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you block unhelpful people you improve the Internet for yourself.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

While i agree with this and i do block people, regularly, if you aren't paying attention this is exactly how you get echo chambers.

Not suggesting i have a good solution, because i don't.

Best i can do is try to differentiate between "opinion that is not my own" and "flagrant arsehole".

I like to think it's the difference between good faith and bad faith arguments, but that still assumes i can tell the difference consistently.

Shit is hard yo.

[–] hono4kami@pawb.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

Shit is, indeed, hard yo

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I dunno man, I didn't come here looking to contribute to or find a plan to fix the world. I came here to doom scroll and look at memes.

[–] Xer0@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The memes here are fucking terrible. Like worse than Instagram tier shit.

[–] mounderfod@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

196 has most of the good ones in my experience

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

But also the worst of the bad ones.

[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I actually appreciate the flow of opinions and information from people with other viewpoints and political opinions. Yeah people can be too intense like you say. I've really enjoyed learning about politics from a communist's perspective. I was sort of blown away by people who disliked liberals but their talking points weren't those of the American right wing. They were leftist communists, and their viewpoints are really fascinating. I've really gone into the rabbit hole learning about class warfare and historical actions of communist countries. If people are trying to spread their viewpoints they should be able to make compelling arguments to support the things they advocate for. I'd be happy to digest more communist information/propaganda/marketing it's really well thought out stuff.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just keep in mind most of the people repeating this stuff are teenage edgelords. Every now and then you get a true intelligent person but it's usually just a kid going through a phase.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago

Almost all of it just seems like contrarian meme bullshit. The same shit that gave rise to MAGA but for lefties.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 10 months ago

I just want to talk about Linux and make clever jokes.