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When I first started it up it was 170gb is there anyway to get it to at least 200? And what can I get rid of on an HP laptop that won't screw it up?

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[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 65 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Ram and (ssd) storage are two different things. Storage space is the one relevant to this question. Also, both of those numbers, 8 gb of ram and 256 gb of disk space, are very low these days.

If you're using the laptop with the software it came with, it might have a bunch of demo versions of useless apps as advertisements. HP is (or at least used to be) notorious for this crap. Somewhere in the settings should be an apps page that lists what's installed, check there.

[–] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Yeah that's your best bet, remove all the bloatware and regain 20 GB+

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can get a terabyte SSD for like $50 these days. It might be worth it to just upgrade.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 1 week ago

Providing it's not soldered to the motherboard like Apple does with no way to add more.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tbh I thought this was a shitpost trying to get people to Linux

[–] Patnou@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Nope so far I got it up to 170 gb with revo unistaller It just kind of makes me think I would have an air tight case for false advertising.

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lots of people commenting about the laptop here, so let me offer something different. What's that one game you downloaded? Because if it is Ark: Survival Evolved (or Ascended) then still having 80G left is pretty good!

[–] Patnou@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am going to date myself but its Watch Dogs 2

[–] yetiftw@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

excellent choice :)

[–] Carnelian@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably just a lot of bloatware. When I’ve been in this situation in the past, I did a completely fresh install of windows. Much smaller. Linux can free up even more space.

There really isn’t anything necessary from HP, but it also depends a lot on your comfort working with the computer so ymmv. I don’t know what’s gonna happen if 3 months down the line you need to call customer support for something. If it were me, I’d be thinking “worst case scenario I can just factory reset”, especially if I had everything important backed up somewhere.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

so long as it's under warranty. yea. make sure you have a way to actually do the 'factory reset'.

if you nix the partitions during a 'clean install' of windows or of linux, you won't.

unless you've made a backup image of the hdd to an external (using reflect or similar), or in hp's case--download their recovery media creator (runs on windows only but doesn't have to be the target system) and build a recovery flash drive for your model.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Look up WizTree for a quick way to see/fix what's taking up your space.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] gratux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

WizTree seems to be quite a bit faster, with almost identical look&feel

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Windirstat is way, way, way slower. WizTree scans my entire drive in literal seconds.

[–] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 1 week ago

WizTree scans my entire drive

It doesn't, really. It's already indexed. It's a feature of the NTFS file system. It's the same way Everything Search can find files almost instantly, and what Windows Search used back when it worked properly in the Windows XP days.

Why Microsoft stopped using that and switched to whatever the current useless search function uses escapes comprehension, though it probably has something to do with them wanting to shove Bing results and other spam in there.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

This is the answer, you can actually visually see what's taking the storage space.

[–] teije9@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

hp is notorious for pre installing apps that you dont need, it's called bloatware. you can maybe remove some of those.

[–] anothermember@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Golden rule is to never use a computer with the OS that was preloaded. You'll never know what they put in there.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Clean install without the HP bloat, backup the important stuff elsewhere first.

Another thing: Are you subscribed to a bajillion mods? That is the case for me. My CoD Black Ops 3 is 30GB, with DLC is 90GB, after Steam workshop mods is 377 GB.

[–] Patnou@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I never download mods. I make a point of it. If a game is released and stands on it own I may think about it but thats it.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The hard drive may be 256gb but a big chunk of that is taken up by Windows and also there will be a hidden recovery partition. So 170gb sounds about right. You can't reduce how much space windows takes, and the recovery partition is worth keeping in case you get in to trouble.

There may be programs HP have installed that you can remove in add/remove software to make a bit more space. HP is notorious for bliatware - installing things to try and sell you stuff. Probably a good few gb may be that crap.

If you download a big game, then it's not a big deal if you're using that game. 80gb is still plenty. And you can delete the game when you're done and use that 90gb for something else.

256gb isn't much but it's enough unless you want multiple big games installed or have a big library of data such as movies or pictures.

Also it may be possible to upgrade the hard drive - depends on the model and how accessible the hard drive is. If you can access the hard drive to replace it then you could get a 1tb drive for example. There are guides online but basically you'd need to copy the existing drive to the new drive (would need a USB adaptor to mount the new drive first) and then swap the drives round. It very much depends on the laptop though.

Another option is an external hard drive connected via USB - it's not good for gaming or running big programmes but it is fine for storing movies and pictures.

If the priority is to have multiple different big games installed at the same time, then upgrade the hard drive. Most HP models it's generally doable without much fuss. More difficult with the ultra slim devices though. Search for your model online and see what people have done.

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why do you need "to get it to at least 200”?

[–] castlebravo404@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 week ago

Yeah, that's like 80% free. Windows itself is bloated and if you add a couple modern games on top of that... Good luck.

[–] manicdave@feddit.uk 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

A very silly but useful hack I did to get the MS flight sim install down to about 40GB (normally ~270GB) before I gave up on windows was this.

Set up a nextcloud server on a raspberry pi.

Install the client on your windows machine.

Add your games install folder as a connection on the nextcloud client and enable VFS (virtual filesystem)

Once synced, right click the folder and select "free up space..."

This will basically delete the file data from your local machine and redownload it whenever windows tries to access a file.

Now launch your game and it'll take a while to start as it has to redownload the files it actually needs to run, but it won't bother getting what it doesn't have to.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

wipe everything- HP is the worst possible company for preinstalled data mining bloatware. reinstall Tiny11 to further reduce Microsoft's bloat. Then consider getting a 1tb portable SSD, most of them are plenty fast enough to support having games installed.

[–] tjoa@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago

“Fast enough to having games installed” haha this reminds me of when I started gaming again after years, I saw games are now like 150gb so I considered it bulk data and put it on my HDDs 😬 but yea the stuff also needs to be loaded at some point

[–] Ashiette@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you downloaded the game illegally then installed it on your hard drive then... You have your answer.

You might still have the downloaded game and you have the installed game. Depending on the fiability of your download source there might also be temporary install file, somewhere.

[–] teft@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Could be on there up to three times. Once as the downloaded archive, once as the expanded archive, and once as the installed game.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

You obviously need to download more RAM.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Chances are good you could get a new larger ssd installed, right off the bat you won't get the full amount of storage advertised, windows 11 takes up around 18 gb. I don't know how much junk HP loads however. 250gb doesn't really give much room anymore, unless it's for productivity.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

windows 11 takes up around 18 gb

No way. Maybe a fresh minimal installation but Windows bloats up fairly quickly over time. I would use 250 GB partitions just for C: back when I was still using Windows and even that got tight in some cases.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

You're correct I read a source that said 18 gb, but I see another here that says 20 to 40.

[–] michael_palmer@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 week ago

Reinstall Windows and then debloat it. Here's a guide from AtlasOS. I recommend it to all my friends who have just bought a new laptop. I have no complaints from them. Windows Updates, Defender, Microsoft Store work as expected.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

1: hp laptops are easy to work on - one back panel and everything is accessible. Some screws are under the rubber feet 2: m.2 ssd is your storage, most likely a 2280 nvme, which is almost all of them. Open the laptop and measure the length of the ssd to confirm. They come in 80, 40, and 30mm lengths (2280, 2240, 2230). Get a 1TB minimum. 3: Upgrade that 8gb ram to 32gb (2x16gb). Assuming this is a clearance laptop with ddr4, that 8gb it has now is not enough for Win11 and daily use - Windows takes up to 5GB on its own, the remaining 3 will be eaten by a browser tab in chrome or firefox. In addition, your onboard graphics can eat up to 2GB of RAM as well, so you're strangled by that small RAM amount no matter what. Don't be shy about slamming more than you need - it's future proofing. 4: look up your hp model on their website and get the service manual. It shows you how to rebuild the laptop from the frame up. Use this to figure out how to unbolt the back panel. 5: While you're there, look at the specs - what kind of ram, how much it accepts, and what ssd it has.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

You can't broadly say that for a brand, especially one as diverse as HP. Some are very easy, mostly the enterprise models. Many are borderline impossible. Without knowing the model, it's impossible to say. It could require removing the motherboard, or special tools to open the case.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

i have a new hp laptop here with same specs (r3,17in,8gb,250ssd). cleaned-up and updated, with firefox, the user's av, and a couple smaller programs, but no crud from being 'used' yet. ~ 172gb free.

your goal of 200gb free with hp's factory load is not going to happen. you will have to reinstall from a plain win11 installer usb made from microsoft's utility.

then after you're installed, put windows into compact state:
compact /compactos:always
instructions here

before you begin, i would highly recommend finding 'hp cloud recovery tool' from the windows 'store'. install that, run it off the start menu (find it, right click, run-as-admin), and make a factory recovery usb for your model (the model number is on the bottom of the unit, usually, looks something like "63U47UA#ABA"). so you'll need two empty flash drives. the hp recovery requires 32gb one. the windows installer one can be as small as 8gb i think.

all that, and you'll probably still be a little short of your goal--and that's without updates, junk added while used, and anything you may want to put on. and also remember ssd drives function best when they aren't jam-packed with data. so you really should be considering an upgrade for the nvme ssd inside the laptop.

[–] Pyrin@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As someone said - upgrade your storage. No excuse these days why someone can't.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Financial, or knowledge are valid reasons. Idk if hp is going the way of apple and MS and soldering storage to the motherboard.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If it is a bottom of the barrel HP laptop it has a very high chance of being soldered RAM and storage with a glued case.

[–] Pyrin@kbin.melroy.org 13 points 1 week ago

Well, OP failed to even detail what the hell model it is. As is the case with 95% of all tech questions where nobody states what model of computer it is despite it being stupid easy to know.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Cant you upgrade the laptop? Would you share the model?

[–] Kaiyoto@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just adding for op that crucial has some drives on sale right now.

[–] BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I'm concerned about OP's ability to upgrade a drive based on the nature of the question. I'd like to also throw in some help with cloning a drive.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

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I recommend swapping in a new SSD . Use something like clonezilla to mirror the SSD from the old one to the new.

Also see whether you can bump the RAM in that box: laptops often have a LOT of junk that starts on boot that just seems to eat RAM, not the least of which is Windows itself. Adding RAM will have the most immediate effect once you've found the space to install things.

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