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[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 238 points 1 week ago (4 children)
[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 114 points 1 week ago (3 children)

People aren't exactly gonna tell a random stranger and probable Fed that they support murder even if it's really based

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not illegal to say you believe Brian Robert Thompson deserved to die. Hell, you could, perfectly legally, file paperwork to hold a parade in Luigi's honor, right through the heart of DC. It's illegal to make death threats, but it's perfectly legal to express support for someone being killed.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (4 children)

With the incoming administration, I don't want to be on record as saying that.

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[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

after the Nov 5th display of oligarch worshipping, maybe not as surprising it isn't higher

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Shit was rigged, you know they made the question something insane to get more people to not agree with the killing.

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[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 107 points 1 week ago (6 children)
[–] i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 1 week ago (13 children)

When I was young, I wouldn't have found it acceptable. It doesn't matter how badly you're treated, you need to find a peaceful way to resist. It's something drilled into my and my peers' skulls since I can remember.

After seeing little progress (but mostly worsening) with polite requests and peaceful protests, I really can't figure out how it can be unacceptable.

A lot of those kids probably just haven't gained that wisdom yet.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

For one thing, you can sympathize but not find it acceptable.

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 88 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

There's a teensy bit of data massaging to make the approval rating appear lower... in my opinion of course.

The respondents were asked to rank "acceptability of the killers actions" on a scale of 1 to 5.

Assumin'the average "young voter" views gunning strangers down as:

[1.very unfavorable]

(You would, if asked about murder, say it was bad As a rule. right? I would too. Ya know, unless it was justified.)

Looking at it that way, the same data looks a lot different suddenly.

33% young voters still think the killer is completely unjustified.

7% think there was some justification

19% are undecided if the CEO deserved to die for what he did

24% think the killer was mostly justified... But have reservations

17% believe he was 100% in the right

I got a little free with the interpretations but you get the idea, You could decide to frame the data this way too. there's a saying: statistics don't lie but statisticians do. Here's my 100% true alternate title using the data but presented with the story I want to tell:

67% of Young Voters at Least Partly Approve of Killers Actions

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 week ago

Selective selection of selected data by billionaire controlled media still can't get below 41%

It's awesome how willfully they exclude or manipulate in attempt to soften the information.

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[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah that's the shocking point for me

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm of two minds about it. Half the time, I want to build a statue of Luigi

The other half of the time, I'm feeling the Tolkien quote, "many that live deserve death, and many that die deserve life. Will you give it to them?"

In other words, at no point do I feel that Brian Robert Thompson didn't objectively deserve to die. He is objectively doing more good for the world as worm food than he did as a living man. My only question is on the ethics of anyone actually killing him. On one hand, no one should have a right to make that call on their own. On the other, it's not like he was ever going to face justice any other way.

I wonder if this dilemma is reflected in this poll. You can believe that killing the CEO was unacceptable, while also believing he absolutely deserved it.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 68 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The fact that politicians and executives consider this a “shock” is part of the problem.

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've heard a saying that if you do anything enough, it becomes normal.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 64 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah that is shocking. My guess is lots of people declined to say for obvious reasons. The number has to be closer to 80%

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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 59 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] DerArzt@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

41% of people they asked! Who knows what criteria they used to get their sample set, so the number may even be higher.

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[–] Womdat10@lemmy.blahaj.zone 57 points 1 week ago (9 children)
[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think of it this way. 41% are willing to say the killing was justified to a perfect stranger.

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[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Seems low. Like if they polled exclusively young conservatives or something.

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[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 56 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I doubt I’m "young" but I find it acceptable. I’m only shocked it doesn’t happen more. These people making insane amounts of money off the suffering of the working class have been getting away with too much for too long.

[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago

They make money by murdering people. Someone has to hold them to account since our justice system, which is bought and paid for by these same scumbags, surely won't.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That is shocking. Get your shit together, 59%!

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[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 42 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Many of these polls are written in way to ellicit a biased response.

Others have already covered how this works, but I'll add to it anyway.

If you ask a question like "do you condemn violence against healthcare CEOs?" A lot of people are going to say yes, because they view themselves as people against violence and respond mostly to that first part.

If you ask "did brian thompson deserve to die for his crimes? Many of the same people will say yes to that too, because people have an innate desire for justice.

Polls do this all the time. It's part of social engineering and plays on the phenomenon that the Asch Conformity Experiments analyzed. Around 35% of people will change their opinions to fit everyone else's even if the answer or opinion is very obviously incorrect.

Don't let them take the narrative back.

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[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 41 points 1 week ago

That sounds extremely low. What young voters are they polling? The Amish?

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago

Gotta pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers!

[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The generation whose future was stolen by greedy, sociopathic billionaires doesn’t care if they get killed. Fetch my fainting couch!

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[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Many things people find despicable are common place in the fog of war. I will never agree with gunning down a poor person no matter what they did, justice is served for the poor daily on a cold lead plate. For the 1%??? Who can we call when insurance kills our loved ones? When Dr's make intentional mistakes and your loved one is dead? Can you call the police and expect them to go snorkeling to find evidence? Or can you maybe expect a call in a few weeks with a maybe update? We have seen how they respond when one of their masters is murdered. Until there is actual justice for all citizens, there will be no peace. Eat the rich.

[–] Narauko@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'm not prepared to say people can't deserve being gunned down based on socioeconomic status, but I am all for the rich getting their fair share of the gunning down. Preventing active murder or grievous bodily harm, harming children, etc.

There is too much gunning down, and especially for unreasonable things, but I won't lose sleep when those in power effecting and enforcing the injustice get theirs. The phrase "just desserts" exists for a reason.

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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago
[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

110% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

[–] melisdrawing@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Young, like under 26? Like never having had to supply their own health insurance maybe?

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[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (5 children)

It’s not shocking if you’ve had to deal with any sort of healthcare in this god forsaken shithole of a country.

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[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 27 points 1 week ago

That low? That is a shock.

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 week ago

Only 41%?

We still have work to do.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Americans have been trained to wish on the CEO the negative things that those CEOs have caused.

Game CEO cancels or ruins an anticipated game? Wish on to them that something they value gets canceled.

Car company CEO makes cars more expensive? Wish upon them financial trouble.

Social media CEO invades your privacy? Wish on them someone to track their plane wherever it flies.

But there exists a subset of companies where death is the outcome of a bad CEO, and the end consequence of encouraging an eye for an eye is what we just saw. Perhaps if a company can decide whether you live or die, the government should play some role in it. Then at least voters will at least have a stake in the governance.

[–] ef9357@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Shock poll? Who is shocked?

[–] Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm shocked that the number isn't higher, does that count?

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[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Cannot believe what our nation is coming to! How the hell is it under 50??

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[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago

This old voter finds it acceptable. Not a problem. It's a good start.

[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Pretty shocking it’s that low honestly.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago

They also claim that they want more equality, universal healthcare, less student debt, etc. And then a ton of them proceeded to vote for Donald Trump. I can't take anything they say seriously.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Should be higher.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (18 children)

It’s a wake up call, but it’s not really going to change anything. You want universal healthcare? We need a general strike. Shut everything down for a month and demand it.

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[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

It's shocking in the sense young people are the ones least effected by our shit Healthcare system since they tend to be the most healthy, and have less interaction with it.

You'd expect the middle aged and older with chronic illnesses would be the most supportive of Luigi, but they have Stockholm syndrome from living under this shitty system their whole life. This is also reinforced by the cable news they watch telling them how tragic it was that a man with a wife and kids was murdered.

Meanwhile, young people are just laughing at memes and tiktoks of how hot and based he is.

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