The Democrats are going to lose the next election by not learning anything from the 2024 election. This will only get worse until we take back control of the party or start our own party and split the vote guaranteeing the republicans win the next midterm and presidential election.
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The Democrats are going to lose the next election by not learning anything from the 2024 election.
Which they lost by not learning anything from the 2016 election.
My current opinion is not that schisming from the DNC would be a winning move, but if we do it should definitely happen now rather than later.
If the progressives all leave the dems are screwed.
If they dont, then everyone keeps getting screwed.
I don't see how that addresses the point.
I think they are alluding to if we split off it ensures the Democrats don't win, thus they would actually have to do something to earn our vote.
Now that is a failing strategy.
Split, fight, go to war, destroy half of the shitty parts of our party and come back as a unionist party of the fucking people and I might not consider a blue tie a fucking joke the next time I see one.
Clean house, and by clean house, fire yourselves outside of the firebrands and let them take us up to 11.
Pelosi stole that seat
Did anyone think she would actually get it? I don't think AOC herself thought she would. She even went on the View and called Pelosi "mama bear" 🤮
I don’t think AOC herself thought she would.
Because she knew the remaining boomers (or is Pelosi fucking Silent Generation at that?) would do everything they could to keep anyone with modern views and no great-grandchildren out of that seat.
She's trying to play the game. She tried bucking them for the first couple years of her tenure in that seat. And they locked her out of everything. Pelosi lead the charge in that. AOC has been trying to ingratiate herself to that bitch but it has not helped because Pelosi is fucking cancer to the Democratic party. She sucks up all the oxygen in the room and gives literally nothing back. The reason Obamacare started out as such a god-awful mess is because pelosi refused to even consider a public option. And now it's truly completely humped because the Democrats basically gave the Presidency, the House, and the Senate to the Republicans.
The only answer is chemotherapy. Meaning we need to kill most of the party by voting progressive independent instead of towing the party line. Because clearly they don't give a shit.
Pelosi refused to even consider a public option
Nope. Version 1 of the ACA from the Pelosi House: https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/3962/summary/00
This is the 2nd time I've come across someone lying specifically about this in the past day. Not sure if Zoomer hyperbole or Vlad.
First off. That's not how bills work. You don't introduce one and have it fail and that's the "first draft". Secondly this bill didn't fail. It passed and it has become law. Thirdly this is a simple Medicaid and Medicare expansion bill. It did not create a public option for people. It just made Medicaid and Medicare available for a few more people than it previously did. You should actually read the stuff you link to.
Here is the actual Affordable Care Act with its "first draft" AKA the introduction.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/3590
And finally I'm Gen X not a Zoomer. I was there when they wrote this shit, I was there when they were debating it and paying very close attention. And I watched Nancy Pelosi go on television and tell everyone that a public option was not on the table because they wanted "bipartisan support" and Republicans wouldn't support it with a public option attached. (Biden echoed this later while running for president) This, even though at that time they owned both the House and the Senate and the Presidency. And they were still trying to play nice with the goddamn Republicans. They were "afraid of a filibuster". And they didn't have the spine necessary to do away with the 2/3 majority overrule. Which, BTW, the Republicans have no scruples about doing.
He's arguing in favour of letting Republicans win every election from now on, so my money's on Vlad, with a sidebet on single-digit IQ.
It's been almost 10 years since Bernie was screwed out of the primary.
If progressives give a shit about actually fixing this country they will not be allowed to do that from within the Democratic party.
We need a third party, and if progressives aren't interested in splitting then they are complicate in the status quo
What a shit take. If you wanna get away with just making shit up like that then you should just go on right wing talk shows and pretend to be a pundit. They’ll love you
It's not just that he's 74...
It's not just that he got diagnosed with terminal throat cancer, and told voters the day after the recent election.
It's that it hasn't been two years since he last violated (the already barely existent) rules against Congress doing a little insider trading.
https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/gerry-connolly-stocks/
Like, did anyone think when Pelosi was weighing in on the oversight committee, that the person she was backing wasnt corrupt and would actually hold anyone from either party accountable?
Pelosi didn't care just because she hates everyone under retirement age. It's because she needed to know the person in charge of the oversight committee had no reason to hold anyone accountable.
Probably more about her suspiciously making 66% returns on her stock investments than anything
That's what I mean, she's corrupt as fuck.
Everyone got hung up on Pelosi just "disliking" AOC, but this would have allowed AOC to investigate Pelosi and other corrupt Dems.
So Pelosi made sure a corrupt Dem got it. That way the status quo is maintained: Dems only go after R, and R only goes after Dems. But neither ever make anything stick.
AOC would try to go after everyone corrupt, and the Republicans would go with it if the target was a Dem.
We'd weed out corruption from the Dem party which would increase turnout, and likely retain the seats.
But it would be bad for Pelosi, and she'll always put herself over party or country
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The DNC is a right wing corpo puppet masquerading as opposition.
They're far more comfortable with a fascist as President than they would a leftist like AOC.
Stare at what their priorities are a month before Trump takes office, sabotaging their most leftwing members. Commuting the sentences of profiteer judges. Herp derp gotta keep moving right after all! (just an aside, I love the neoliberals defending Biden's corrupt pardons as "just senile/incompetent")
Reminder: the only leftist congresspeople are spoiler candidates. The DNC promotes solely on the basis of how well you prove you can be bought by large money donors, which tells you all you need to know about who's side they're on. The same side as the Fascists on economic policy, as they get the same checks from the same oligarchs.
I've voted blue for 20 years, with my nose held hoping for harm reduction. I phonebanked for Sanders in 2 campaigns. I already know it's all a sham. You can vote whoever you want as long as they're pro corpo capitalism. But in the 2028 primary, when I see the DNC yet again doing everything they can to kneecap a progressive to install a neoliberal, I'm walking away, as it's just another system of control. The illusion of choice.
If the people won't overcome their "free market" propaganda and vote against the shape and priorities of this sociopath owned economy literally legally conning and murdering us for tidy profits, we can't be saved, and there's nothing worth saving left.
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The ol battle axe was in hospital recovering from hip replacement surgery, but Pelosi still has the heart of a true leader, and managed to get a "young 74 year old" the seat. Way to go Democrats! You fucking idiots are why we have trump part deux.
It's been far less reported but they did almost the exact same thing to Katie Porter in California. She was another rising star that got snuffed out by the DNC machine. They redistrict her seat and then they locked her out of the Senate election and pushed one of their elites in her place.
It was almost an exact repeat of what happened to Nina Turner in Ohio in 2021. Everywhere they can the Democrats lock out progressives. The Democratic party does not give one single shit. All they care about is the money and power they get as politicians. Everything they say is lip service.
And the dude has fucking throat cancer
I'm sure when he croaks in a couple months, AOC will get the seat as she was the runner-up, right?
They’ll have a 73 year old queued up
it’s fine I’ve got experience
A fat lot of good your fucking “experience” has done us lately, wouldn’t you say, Connolly, you ossified, cancer-ridden, insider-trading, neoliberal establishment fuck.
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Democrats don't deserve anymore support. We've got to get a party for the working class. It's just corporate whores in the GOP and DNC.
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The progress wing should leave the party. Force the dems to come crawling or show their hands as sleeper Republicans
The frustration is real. There's a movement to create an American Labor Party. I think if it gets enough steam we might see some real change.
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why are the fucking boomers so resistant of letting go of power? pelosi is 84 years old, she belongs in a nursing house, not politics
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rich old white guy: i have an idea - lets have a rich old white guy do it instead
[all vote yea]
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Yeah fuck the Democrats. I'm not giving the DNC or any mainstream PACs any more money. It'll all go through AOC and Bernie from here on out. (Not that my meager contributions mean much to the DNC Corporate whores.)
I'll believe they are "up in arms" as soon as they actually do anything.
I'm not actually that surprised a vote by a bunch of politicians was decided based on politics and not which candidate was a better fit.
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