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This is AFTER debloating all the MS bs as much as I can.

The amount of MS telemetry is just mindboggling.

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[–] Ciryamo@feddit.de 279 points 1 year ago (6 children)

While telemetry is bad the problem here is probably that this windows service pings the server but doesn't get a response because it got stuck in your pihole. So it tries to pings again and again and again and again...

[–] Knocturnal@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

The best solution would be to disable telemetry to the capacity you are capable or is possible without breaking something and block pings as backup to when it's enabled again with updates and repeat.

[–] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exponential backoff is baked in most libraries. So probably not.

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[–] lambda@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's what I was thinking..

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[–] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 87 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't get fooled by the insane amount of hits, when it's not reachable it will try over and over

[–] TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id 11 points 1 year ago

Yup. You need more like a logger to get the actual measure of the data.

[–] IronpigsWizard@lemmy.world 83 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The future:

"Malwarebytes has flagged your entire operating system as potential malware"

Lol....... :/

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

...pay 9.99 to have us do nothing

[–] IronpigsWizard@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lol. They are a shit company. (Microsoft & Malwarebytes)

[–] uncreativechap@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

First time I've heard someone say Malwarebytes sucks. Is this more of a "Recent update makes it bad" thing or "The company behind this software is horrible"? Personally I've never had a problem with them.

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[–] corship@feddit.de 65 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well blocking these calls obviously inflates the numbers due to retries.

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[–] kd45@lemm.ee 57 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Devil’s advocate: basically the only proper way to figure out how people are using your product and how you can tweak it to achieve its goal is by firing events and including relevant metadata such as how much time they spent on a screen or how far they scrolled. Telemetry is not necessarily “evil” by default.

[–] CeeBee@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The other side of that is that the telemetry data never gives you a "why" of something.

For example, users might spend a long time at a screen because they are thinking about what to do, or they are confused by the options and can't figure out which option they need.

This is why a QA team coupled with a large amount of beta testers is invaluable and necessary.

Telemetry, in the context of software development and UX design, is either a decision by the misinformed or just an excuse to save costs by axing the Windows QA department.

In reality it's likely the data is being sold off. But in either case, that's data Microsoft isn't entitled to (from a moral/privacy perspective).

[–] pirat@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

For example, users might spend a long time at a screen because they are thinking about

... anything!

what am I gonna eat?

I should remember to feed the bicycle...

who stole my cat btw?

who am I to judge?

who am I?

what's the meaning of life?

what's the meaning of finding it?

what's the meaning of figuring out what the meaning is of finding it???

You forgot about the classic, "Where do you want to go today"

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[–] heyoni@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

I replied elsewhere but YES! Telemetry is notorious for causing devs to hyperfocus on shit features due to their high usage. Just because a user is clicking X over Y doesn’t mean Y sucks and X is better. Maybe Y is in their periphery, or camouflaged by the background artwork or worded badly. But hey, since X gets a lot of clicks, it must be good, right?

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Those events are used by all of these services:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/windows-11-endpoints-non-enterprise-editions

Literally everything, from Windows to Office to OneDrive to Cortana to diagnostics.

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[–] static09@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Something is seriously wrong with your Windows 11 install. I have two Windows 11 devices on my network and a Surface Duo 2.

[–] radix@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Conviva is "video streaming analytics." Any site with video content is trying to track who uses it, how long they watch, etc.

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[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 35 points 1 year ago (7 children)

It has become really nasty for sure...

But I can't really blame them. Who wouldn't want to know? And who doesn't do it? It's just always MS who gets shit on for doing it. Everything and everyone tracks our every movement and click. If ET had been an android-phone he had been long called home before the intro started.

Don't get me wrong, i effing abhor these things from the depths of my nerdy heart and do everything to block them all. But we just can't avoid it anymore. We can just hope to get it all blocked or that it at least only sends anonymous usage-data and nothing else.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago (18 children)

And who doesn't do it?

OSS operating systems. The more proprietary software you run, the less and less you actually own your computer and the more it becomes a tool to advance the interests of megacorps.

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[–] prunerye@slrpnk.net 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

we just can’t avoid it anymore

Speak for yourself. Besides, all-or-nothing privacy is a false dichotomy. Giving out less personal data is still better than giving out everything, and you don't need 100% privacy to be unprofitable to advertisers.

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[–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If ET had been an android-phone he had been long called home before the intro started

That's a good one! But to be fair, Apple calls home just as much. They just don't sell that data (yet).

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

As does Android. I'm not sure why we would give MS a by for this. They're all as bad as each other and all deserve to be blocked as comprehensively as possible.

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[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Desktop linux doesn't have any of this. And one day we'll get real linux on phones too (with full featured support).

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[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Join us.... become Linux nerd, never look back. Hate that the one or two software you use that has no viable equivalent is either super janky or doesn't work on wine even though tons of games outperform windows... with the windows build.

Or battle telemetry for several years until you get forced to subscribe to win 12.

[–] praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Only reason I use Win 11 is a single proprietary DRM software I have to deal with on a daily basis. I find almost everything more comfortable in Linux than Windows. I also don't play games so it's honestly painless.

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[–] bless@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Wait till you plug in your cell phone to charge they start calling home like crazy

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My fire stick does double that lol

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] pewnit@lemmings.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I recently did it for a lab and it was... interesting.

My Ubuntu VM wasn't particularly great either but it was the one that my uni provided

[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Ubuntu lost me years ago. I still use the server version for.. servers. If you want something rawk sawlid for servers, go Ubuntu. Otherwise, go Pop. Or Elementary. Or Mint.

Don’t like your hand held? Fedora.

Hate yourself? Arch.

Draw your entire personality from knowing what a transistor is? Gentoo.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 16 points 1 year ago

"bUt ThAt DaTa iS gOiNg tO mAkE ThE pRoDuCt BeTtEr"

[–] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 year ago

I have other ways of disabling those telemetry reports.

O&O shutup 10 and adguard for desktop allow the user to turn off a lot of bullshit.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I stopped using my Pihole because it kept eating SD cards. If that wasn't an issue would love to be using it still.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can recommend Log2Ram for that. It logs to RAM and only writes to the SD card once a day (or more/less, if you choose).

It's a must while using PiHole imo.

Link to guide

[–] Tranus@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago

You formatted your links as images. Markdown uses ![...](...) for images, [...](...) for links.

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[–] pirat@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've recently read about how to fix corrupted SD-cards in Raspberry Pis. Corruption can happen when the Pi is unexpectedly losing power during a write to the SD card.

To avoid corruption, you can change the (boot partition of the) SD to read-only, requiring either USB storage (flash/HDD/SSD) or a writable secondary partition on the SD card) if you need to save anything locally. The system itself will run fine without write access. Only your files could be at risk if you lose power mid-write.

You can also configure your system to boot from USB storage instead of SD card. Keeping the system partition read-only is probably still a good idea, if possible in your setup.

Modern versions of raspi-config offer a similar read-only overlayFS functionality out of the box! sudo raspi-config, go to Advanced Options, then enable the Overlay FS: Enable/Disable read-only filesystem feature.

Source: Shane S. @ https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/7978/how-can-i-prevent-my-pis-sd-card-from-getting-corrupted-so-often

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[–] bender223@lemmy.today 9 points 1 year ago

I recently switched my main desktop from windows to linux, and now my download speeds are much faster. I guess now I know why. 😬

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