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In the recent Lemmy developer update, there's a reference to one Lemmy developer, SleeplessOne1917.

I found some horrifying comments from this user.

https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/2649200 - "There is no such thing as an Israeli civilian. All settlers are valid targets."

https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/2649472 - "15 year olds are military age. That makes them valid targets for killing."

https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/2649732 - "... There is no such thing as a zionoid civilian. Everything that moves and isn’t Palestinian is a valid target. ..."

Webarchive: https://web.archive.org/web/20231009171047/https://lemmy.ml/u/CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml

Edit: New comment from the user "Cry more. Israelis need to be eliminated. Death to Israel, and death to Amerikkka!"

https://web.archive.org/web/20231009171510/https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/2592588

https://web.archive.org/web/20231009171739/https://lemmygrad.ml/post/750810

https://web.archive.org/web/20231009171907/https://lemmy.ml/comment/4569805

https://web.archive.org/web/20231009172817/https://lemmy.ml/comment/4413706

https://github.com/SleeplessOne1917

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 208 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Friendly reminder that it’s very easy to sympathize with the plight of the Palestinians without glorifying terrorists.

For a similar example, I support the cause of a United Ireland but that doesn’t mean I support the IRA. Be better than that.

[–] TokyoMonsterTrucker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

~~There is no indication whatsoever that @SleeplessOne1917 is the same person as @cannotsleep420~~. Jesus, people, stop pissing yourselves for the literal 30 seconds it took to fact check this bullshit claim.

*edit: I took the liberty of finding the actual dev's account: /u/SleeplessOne1917@lemmy.ml. It took a whole additional minute. You're welcome

*edit 2: /u/NOT_RICK@lemmy.world has some links below that do indeed link /u/SleeplessOne1917@lemmy.ml to /u/CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml. Soooo, while I don't regret my nearly infinite capacity for skepticism, but it looks like this story has some legs. Hat tip to NOT_RICK, who is adamantly not Rick.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You might want to reinvestigate. @cannotsleep420 is the one that made those comments and they are a dev.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

In the recent Lemmy developer update, there’s a reference to one Lemmy developer, SleeplessOne1917.

I found some horrifying comments from this user.

The post then lists comments from /u/cannotsleep420@lemmygrad.ml, however the text over the name is SleeplessOne (without the number on the end). This account is also on lemmygrad, the lemmy devs' main accounts are on lemmy.ml. Do you have anything to verify that they're the same person, or that they are another dev? Because I see no "CannotSleep420" mentioned on the github page. The main two are actually /u/dessalines@lemmy.ml and /u/nutomic@lemmy.ml.

Next you'll be telling me that Hollywood actress Margot Robbie also moderates round these parts.

Edit: They probably are the same person.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You can look up my other comment for more examples, but this one is the most clear:

https://lemmygrad.ml/post/750810

They may not be the same person, although I suspect they are as the lemmy.ml account isn’t active, but either way 420 is at a minimum a contributor

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

They "contributed to the project", that doesn't mean they have any authority over lemmy development, as the top of the post is suggesting. "Contributing to the project" could mean just about anything.

While I wouldn't completely discount the possibility that they are the same person, this post provides no evidence of that. HOWEVER, this comment suggests they might well be!!

TBF the future lemmy developer isn’t too far off. I’ve been discussing being added to the NLNet grant along with another person, phiresky, with Dessalines and Nutomic.

@TokyoMonsterTrucker@lemmy.dbzer0.com you might be interested in that.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

FYI, you can make an instance agnostic link just by typing /u/SleeplessOne1917@lemmy.ml.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

Doesn't work for me. @SleeplessOne1917@lemmy.ml does though

[–] TokyoMonsterTrucker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nice tip, thank you. Still fumbling my way around...

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

No worries. A couple other things:

  • /c/community@instance and @community@instance will work for communities.
  • /u/user@instance is instance agnostic but will not generate a mention to the user's inbox.
  • [linktext](http://instance/u/user) will link to the user's instance only, but it sends a mention to them. You can also do this by starting to type @user@instance and selecting the user from the dropdown box (on the website, not necessarily in apps).
  • The different apps for lemmy don't necessarily always work correctly in line with the website, but they'll catch up.
  • Each post is actually primarily hosted at that user's instance, then federated from there. So if you're a lemmy.world user and post in a lemmy.ml community, your post will actually post at lemmy.world first and then federate. It isn't necessarily hosted in the community's instance. The same is true for every comment - hence why you won't see comments from users in an instance yours isn't federated with, even if they are federated with the post's instance and can comment in the thread.
  • You can't really do anything with posts or comments to jump across instances, as each instance assigns a different number to the same content. Hopefully one day they'll change it so the url is more like http://instance/post/123456@hostinstance in everywhere but the federated host instance. But it's all still in early development.
[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 38 points 11 months ago

What a creepy asshole. He should probbaly get back to /pol/, seems like he'd fit on there better.

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 29 points 11 months ago (6 children)

You know, I came to lemmy because I was disgusted with the reddit admins and devs. And this shit just is not helping.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For the most part, Lemmy instances are separate from the developers. But the great thing about ActivityPub and the fediverse is that we can move platforms and keep the same content. Kbin can subscribe to the same communities that Lemmy can.

[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 15 points 11 months ago

Yeah, this is one of the best parts of the fediverse. It's not just another plattform like Reddit. It's a bunch of Plattforms of various services, even Lemmy is just hundreds of small Reddits that connect to each other. Meaning we are not beholden to one person like on Reddit to participate in the fediverse.

[–] 520@kbin.social 30 points 11 months ago

Understand that the Lemmy devs do not have ultimate power over your instance, and that your instance admins may feel very differently to them

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 19 points 11 months ago

The difference here is that these people aren't really running the show. They're in charge of the main development branch, but that's just back end code, and it is (or should be) reviewed by every admin when they use it to implement their instance. Development can be adopted or forked by other people, should politics get in the way.

It's the morals of your own instance and its admin that are most important, these are the ones synonymous with reddit's staff. In fact, it's possible for the instance to put whatever code they want up. It can easily be non-standard to official lemmy, so you really are trusting them rather than the main lemmy devs.

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[–] willya@lemmyf.uk 29 points 11 months ago

Anyone is able to contribute to the code. Are you saying we need background checks before contributions? Also as pointed out in another comment you didn’t prove any connection between the two usernames either.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I thought we were already aware that the devs are deranged lmao

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

*hexbears: that’s why I’m here

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[–] ExLisper@linux.community 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Personally, I would accept a PR from a convicted murderer if the code was good. It would be a problem I would have to have meetings with this person but if he just submits code why would I care? There are no political opinions in code. It's not like code written by a rapist somehow pollutes my codebase.

[–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Yeah the code might be fine. But if I want to support the development of Lemmy, say with a donation, am I financially supporting a piece of shit?

I'm not saying every contributor has to be thoroughly vetted, or that I have to agree politically with every contributor. It just feels icky, and I get the concern users have.

[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I donate to Lemmy.world but that doesn't go to this Lemmy dev in question, only Ruud and his team. You can donate to specific instance admins who aren't batshit crazy hateful scumbags and support the growth of healthy instances.

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[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

What a special piece of shit he is.

[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago (5 children)

The Lemmy devs are tankies, they also deny chinese human rights violations and deny genocides.

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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is difficult. I don't contribute code yet, but knowing that these kind of people might have a say in the development of Lemmy, I'm not sure I want to contribute. Maybe !pangora@programming.dev will be more welcoming... dunno.

[–] jeffhykin@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

Pease consider the opposite; if a fork is needed at some point in the future, we need people who are familiar with the codebase. It would be, for example, much better for 3 of 4 contributors to be sane than only 2 of 3.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

1st & 2nd of these are inside a post at news@hexbear.net (not lemmygrad.ml)

it has 490 upvotes, is locked & it is radically pro Palestine and anti Israel.

Not defending this user, just looking at the context.

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