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[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Call a lawyer and give a deposition before they can do anything. Collect as much information as possible. Dump all of the cars and electronics that I own, ship my active phone to a different state. Stop using credit cards. Strap up. Send my family to stay with various people who I know who are Leo or retired Leo or retired military. Always wear a hat, mask, etc. have a different lawyer set up an LLC without my name attached and use that to register a van to stay in with a business name on the side. Avoid big retailers who use facial recognition. Park the van near my old bosses houses during the day since it looks like a plumbing truck or whatever and sleep during the day since they think I would be hiding somewhere far away. If they see me then they would be shitting themselves. Go to their house when only their spouse or kids are home pretending to be a service person and get pictures inside their house. Send them photos of them and their family leaving and coming home at their school, their wifi ssid, inside of their house, house plans from the county, etc. from a different zip code far away by using a mail forwarding service so they think I've skipped town but I'm actually right there.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There's a chapter in "infinite jest" where these two guys break into someone's house and put the owners toothbrushes up their asses and took photos which they then sent to the owners.

https://www.reddit.com/r/InfiniteJest/comments/aanknr/who_is_tooty_and_what_exactly_did_don_gately_do/ecth1g9/

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 30 points 1 day ago

Apparently you just have to kill a ceo in public and dozens of cops will come make sure you don't get suicided before the state does it.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I wonder if giving the information to the coporations competitor (as anonymously as possible of course) would do anything good? Try to turn the corps against eachother. At least you would know if they are secretly in league if the competitor doesnt expose them.

Also, i think anyone who is in position to do something like this should try to find more like minded people and continue as a group. Even then its dangerous but much less so than alone since there are more people to help. You wouldnt resist enemy occupation alone and expect to live long either.

[–] wetsoggybread@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This likely wouldnt work because that corporation could get in trouble for corporate espianoge. Some guy reportedly stole the recipe for cococola and tried to sell it to pepsi and they ratted him out

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

The wealthy actually have class solidarity

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Human beings are fragile creatures. Big corps generally don't need to make the big effort of a murder and a cover-up when they can almost completely legally harass people into taking their own lives.

To that end? Get a good therapist and a psych. Preferably not on workplace insurance, if such a thing is feasible for the situation.

[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The trick is to suicide yourself before they do it

Lmfao. That's like cops saying: "Wait, you can't kill your self!" shoot you to death "There, we fixed it!"

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Collect all your evidence into one large archive, upload it somewhere and make it known that if you die of anything other than natural causes, that information will become available to EVERYONE.

Read up on how "dead man's switches" work. If you don't send a signal online, log into a particular account on a regular basis, that sends the release signal.

[–] river_chunk@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago
[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

No busy roads, no flights with very few onboard, no views from balconies or other such places like large hotel windows. Cook everything yourself and you'll be alright!

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 241 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Take the advice offered by journalists on how to contact them privately and avoid getting caught. I.e. secure and protect evidence without raising suspicion. Contact a reputable journalist via some secure means of communication. Let them take over and keep silent. Don't brag or something.

Most good newspapers offer something like PGP encrypted mail, SecureDrop over TOR and more to talk to them.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 185 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

This children is why the need for private communication isn’t something you can laugh away by claiming you have nothing to hide.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 49 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Absolutely. There are many reasons, but attacks on journalists/whistleblowers and the malicious potential of collated data in a capitalist oligarchy are the first two that come to mind.

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[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago

Encrypt email with anyone who publishes a key. If "bad" emails are the only ones you encrypt, then that metadata can be used to raise suspicion of you and to trace your contacts.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 169 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

Edward Snowden is a prime example of how to handle it.

Only communicated via encrypted channels.

When revealing himself and his leak, he had already left his home country. He was trying to make it to South America when the US canceled his passport. US went so far as to bring down a sovereign nations Presidential plane to search it for Snowden.

I'm sure he has still had to worry about his personal safety after getting stuck in a country he wasn't planning on getting stuck in.

But the reality is you have to meticulously plan and basically abandon your entire life and move somewhere they cannot touch you. When it comes to US companies, you generally will have to do like Snowden and avoid US-allied nations.

See also: Steven Donziger and Chevron

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Donziger

Donziger was placed under house arrest in August 2019 while awaiting trial on charges of criminal contempt of court, which arose during his appeal against Kaplan's RICO decision, when he refused to turn over electronic devices he owned to Chevron's forensics experts. In July 2021, US District Judge Loretta Preska found him guilty, and Donziger was sentenced to 6 months in jail in October 2021. While Donziger was under house arrest in 2020, twenty-nine Nobel laureates described the actions taken by Chevron against him as "judicial harassment." Human rights campaigners called Chevron's actions an example of a strategic lawsuit against public participation (SLAPP). In April 2021, six members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus demanded that the Department of Justice review Donziger's case. In September 2021, the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights stated that the pre-trial detention imposed on Donziger was illegal and called for his release. Having spent 45 days in prison and a combined total of 993 days under house arrest, Donziger was released on April 25, 2022.

US corporations can and will bring the weight of the US "justice" system on whistleblowers. The US is not unique in this regard. Whatever giant company you're whistleblowing against, you better GTFO of the country they are based in.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 88 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah so many people talk about Snowden going to Russia and ignore the fact that he was only in Russia transferring to another plane when his passport was cancelled stranding him there. The choice was basically stay there, or go back to the US, and that wasn't really an option.

Why the US would want to leave him in Russia as a potential asset for Russian intelligence to break instead of letting him get to a different country that isn't such a direct threat though is a really good question.

[–] Forester@yiffit.net 54 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Easy. They got to call him a Russian operative and brush it under the rug. Go ask the average person about snowden

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Man, lots of crazy, unrealistic advice here.

One person literally said to live in a motel. No, do not live alone.

The answer is pretty simple, live in a community house with like 8 other people.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

8 potential aids for your murder.

They just have to say: "I give you 1.000.000 bucks if you give this food to that person, it will look like a bad flu and you'll get the money". If one rejects the offer there's 7 more to do so.

[–] NiHaDuncan@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

If one rejects the offer then you now have two people you have to kill. Loose ends are one’s end.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I said community. Thats no community if your friends would take money to kill you.

Have you ever lived in a community?

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[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Despite all precautions, if you are one of the few persons whose circumstances could allow the leak, then they'll narrow it down to you. Especially if you were the reluctant one, the one that raised ethical issues etc...

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 56 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While it won't help you getting suicided, setting up a deadman's switch on the cloud that will release your testimony is definitely worth doing.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Additionally, give a copy of all the documents to your lawyer to release in the case of your death. Multiple Deadman switches are better than one, especially one that's controlled by a person and not just hoping your cloud service doesn't go down after you're dead.

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[–] Overboard8171@startrek.website 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't leak. Spread seldom rumours online about the company with plausible deniability. Find a crazy-er person and/or group. Continue spreading dots. Spread info to Youtubers. Others with a platform. Use a VM, a password manager inside the VM. After 12 months, delete all your credentials and the VM. The system can not protect you. Corps rule democracy. Don't trust the system. Spread the info until it reaches critical mass or the faith in the system collapses. Your life is worth more than some righteous leak. See the Pentagon Papers life. He lived a very humble life afterwards.

NOTE: method untested and invented just now.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago

wouldnt it just drown with all the insane crap the crackpots spew anyway and become tainted by association with them? But yeah, you definitely shouldnt use your own name and should spread the leak all over.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Do

  • Live on cash from different ATMs;
  • Stay at a hotel/motel that changes weekly;
  • Rent a car and change it at different rental locations every week;
  • Communicate only with your lawyer;
  • Record everything in an official manner as soon as possible.
  • Stay offline
  • Get a dumb phone, and if you must have a computer get a new laptop with no wifi or mobile data hardware;

Do Not

  • Go anywhere you don't need to go;
  • Tell anyone where you are;
  • Go to the middle of nowhere, this reduces your escape routes unless you're Bear Grylls;
  • Confront anyone, they can have you arrested and prison violence makes their job much easier;
  • Go to the news without your lawyer;
  • Use a smartphone, or any device that was yours before and is capable of connecting online;

And most of all don't listen to the billy badasses in here. If a multi billion dollar corporation wants you dead and is willing to break the law they can afford a lot of very nasty people. You aren't getting the tactical training to stand against them in that short amount of time, that takes years and dedication and even then you'll be learning how to run away in a deadly manner. Your best defense is to be ghost except when you show up for court dates and depositions. That's what the Secret Service Witness Protection Program does and it works if you have discipline.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 44 points 2 days ago (15 children)

Amongst everything others have said, if you get sucked into an interview or press conference, directly and firmly state that, for the record, you are not suicidal and that if you should die, it was absolutely not suicide. You believe that you've become a target and fear for your safety and life.

It doesn't matter if you believe yourself to be a target in the privacy of your head. Always say that you are early, often, loudly, and to anyone who will listen.

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[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Was just looking at something like how to execute on that this morning as my morning coffee dive down an internet rabbit hole.

There’s this guy named Michael Bazzell who used to make a podcast about stuff like this, and he also wrote a book called Extreme Privacy that I thumbed through this morning. He talks about where to go to get a ghost address, how to buy and set up a cell phone to be virtually anonymous, how to buy a house anonymously or how to re-title your car to a trust or LLC, and pretty much everything in between. Even talks about what information to not divulge when you go to the ER and details what to consider you put on your kids birth certificate.

So if anyone is paranoid enough to know how to avoid getting suicided, I’m going to bet on this guy’s advice

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[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 53 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Dead Man's Switch. Something something Notary Public

Whatever Snowden did

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[–] dariusj18@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

how'd you find the guy?

Easy. We had a list of the fifteen or so guys that did that specific part of the job, we got their IP addresses, watched them for a while, and as it turns out, two of them regularly use a VPN and send all of their traffic to Canada.

How long do you think it would take to figure out whether or not which one of these boys are harmless software pirates, or their man?

People do all of the work in the world without knowing that your preparation will blow your cover.

Have you ever visited TailsOS's website off of a VPN? Could the Feds find out? Do you think the other guys have the same level of deniability?

That trail is not washing off. You even knowing or having a history of using a Linux iso is suspicion enough if the rest of the suspects are all boring chuds.

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (5 children)

You need at least 7 proxies.

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[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 31 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Definitely a dead man switch, and several letters from me and my psychiatrist specifying that I'm not suicidal.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

You have a psychiatrist? Must have been coo coo before.

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