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Considering to buy one for a family member.

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[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Nope. I smoked for over 30 years. Took up vaping to quit and all I did was vape more than I ever smoked.

For me, what worked was… I had to go back to smoking regular cigarettes, then use Wellbutrin as a smoking cessation. Took about a month and a half-

I’ve been smoke free for over two years.

[–] julysfire@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I quit smoking cigarettes after moving to vape but vape isn't better for you so, it's just reading one for another.

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[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 3 points 8 hours ago

someone = yes

everyone = no

[–] nnullzz@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

I wish I could vape. This is gonna sound stupid, bc it is, but I’m a chronic asthmatic who has smoked for about 20 years now. Been intubated twice for asthma. And yet I still can’t put the damn cigarettes down. I’ve tried patches, gum, hypnotism, medication, you name it.

Vaping was the only thing that was helping when I switched but believe it or not, it was bothering me way more than a cigarette. Immediate throat scratchiness and shortness of breath. That doesn’t happen with smokes though. I’ve tried all sorts of vapes too. All with the same result.

Smoking is probably gonna be what takes me out and it sucks that I feel totally powerless. I will say though, that the book “The Easy Way to Stop Smoking” by Allen Carr got me off cigs for about 3 months. Then my grandpa died and it all spiraled back from there.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 4 points 9 hours ago

Apologies for what could well be a dumb suggestion: Herbal / nicotine free cigs exist. They might be an avenue of escape if you haven't tried that already.

Smoking isn't just the nicotine fix, it's the whole ritual of getting away and doing something else for a while. Scratching that itch might work.

Of course there are other ways to get away and do something else for a while, but those are for later.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Two things:

Cigarettes contain ingredients to suppress some of the negative symptoms of smoking. One reason you might have irritation without the cigarettes is because the cigarettes are preventing you from feeling the irritation they cause. Just a thought. It might make sense to see if you can get other medication to help with those issues until you are able to stop vaping too.

Also, hearing that the death of your grandpa caused a relapse suggests you might want to try quitting again, but with some sort of therapy/support. Try the book method again, but make sure you have someone to talk through issues with.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 31 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Yes.

Wife and I switched to vaping, then that eventually dropped off to nothing.

[–] witty_username@feddit.nl 10 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Yes. It is a shame that vapes are disregarded as therapeutics. They are fantastic in that regard.
Not to say that the fruit flavoured garbage aimed at children is okay; it is not and should be dealt with. However, we should simultaneously not let the tobacco industry deter the medically valid use of vapes for use as an aid with smoking cessation

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[–] minyaen@lemmy.ml 24 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I quit not only because of vaping and tobacco-less nicotine pouches, but because I wanted it. If you are buying it for a family member, you can't make them quit... Hopefully they are wanting to, because you can't make that decision for them. Just like any other addict.

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I agree with this sentiment. I vaped for years and years because I didn't actually want to stop.

But once I did make the decision the vape made it considerably easier.

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[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

I did but it took me a long time, years and years, with occasional dips back into smoking.

Now though it's nearly been 2 years no vape or anything and at least three years of no nicotine.

I went up and down in nicotine levels, I used big huge cloud throwing fog machines and little tiny disposables.

I eventually settled on a unit with a built in rechargeable battery and pods with replaceable coils (geekvape aegis)

I don't think vaping will naturally result in quitting, it I do think it's the most effective harm reducer out there and as a tool has many ways to help reduce use over time.

High nicotine disposables (elf bars, juul) I would stay away from if you can though since the nicotine concentration is so high that it can deepen the addiction.

[–] Akrenion@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I got a few people around me who are trying to find a good reusable vape. Those seem to have disappeared which makes it harder to self regulate.

If anyone has a hood recommendation I am all ears.

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[–] recentSloth43@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

I personally know multiple people who did

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 12 points 14 hours ago

I did. Been a decade since I had a cigarette.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 2 points 9 hours ago

Yeah pretty much everyone I know that picked up a vape

[–] jared@mander.xyz 15 points 15 hours ago

11 years without a cigarette, still vape though.

[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 6 points 13 hours ago

Vaped for about 7 years after quitting smoking. Switched to 0 nicotine vape fluid and then finally got tired of vaping and just sort of stopped.

[–] Berttheduck@lemmy.ml 9 points 14 hours ago

Vaping is safer than cigarettes, it's still bad and we don't know how bad it is long term but it is safer than smoking. It's better to just stop completely using a stop smoking service to get alternative nicotine products if that's available. If the person doesn't want to stop then you're unlikely to be able to make them however a vape might be able to replace it with something better. Other products to look at are patches, gum, lozenges and inhalators which can be useful in quitting.

In summary smoking and vaping are both bad but smoking is worse. Better off just quitting if possible, if not go for the vape.

[–] brap@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

Yep. I moved from smoking to vaping. It became a bit of a hobby but I quit that too after a few years just by lowering the nicotine bit by bit and ended up just not using it when the habit was no longer fuelled by addiction.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 12 hours ago

Most people I know that used to smoke now vape instead.

The main reason is not that vapes are great, but that cigarettes cost about £15 a pack.

[–] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

To stop smoking I will smoke something else. A better logic would be, I'll use something that can have a reduced nicotine content.

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[–] Blackout@fedia.io 3 points 12 hours ago

If they want to quit it can be a useful tool that I have seen work for many. If they don't an e-cig isn't going to change anything.

[–] Mickey7@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

I don't personally know one person who did. They just moved onto doing both

[–] Chaos0f7ife@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm not a smoker/vaper so my opinion doesn't really matter here. But from a sober perspective, I believe that switching to vaping CAN be good, as long as you're willing to follow the rules diligently.

The biggest problem I can see going down would be that vaping can be more addictive because you can put more nicotine in it. So if you plan on getting one for a family member, make sure they are actually willing to quit. Because there is a possibility that you can make the addiction worse if they have the opportunity to put even more nicotine in their system.

Once again, this is from an outside perspective, if I'm in the wrong vapers, please let me know.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

This is a little more complicated because vaping doesn't get nicotine into your blood as effectively as smoking. So even if the liquid seems like it's stronger than a cigarette would be, it's likely not actually getting them more nicotine. If anything too little nicotine is an issue because this could make it harder to switch.

Smokers (and vapers) also self titrate, meaning they adjust their smoking/vaping habits to get the amount of nicotine they want. So if you had a genuinely stronger vape, they would stop after fewer puffs. Nausea comes pretty quick after too much nicotine too so it's not pleasant to take too much.

[–] Chaos0f7ife@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

I learned something today. Thank you for making me less ignorant.

[–] skvlp@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Going cold turkey is supposedly not as delicious as it sounds, but it’s probably the best way.

[–] ivn@jlai.lu 11 points 12 hours ago

There is no best way. What matters is what works and different methods work differently on different people. It's good to have a multitude of ways.

As for efficiency it seems that vaping is very efficient.

[–] The_Blinding_Eyes@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Maybe not the best way to quit, but the most likely way to stay quit.

[–] Libb@jlai.lu 1 points 14 hours ago

I quit some 20 years ago without using vape (did it exist back then? Not sure) or any medication. That day, after careful consideration I made up my mind and never looked back.

And not just because of my health (it was a very important factor) but also because I had realized how much money I was throwing away. Thousands each year.

[–] Joshi@aussie.zone 1 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Vaping is about as effective as a quitting aid as other nicotine replacement methods but with an as yet undefined long term risk profile.

Buy them some gum or patches instead.

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 19 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

It has the benefit of putting something in your mouth, and preserving the smoking ritual. Which is as important for many smokers as nicotine.
It's not without reason that it became so popular in the few years since it went mainstream.

[–] Mora@pawb.social 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Just offer them a dick to suck on along with the nicotine gum/patches ~/s~

(For real though, sucking dick can be quite meditative)

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago

Thanks I'll make sure to try it

[–] Joshi@aussie.zone -1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

To be clear it has become popular as a substitute for (or adjunct to) smoking. As a quitting aid it isn't especially effective, even if slightly more effective than NRT.

I must say in my practice I haven't seen anyone quit using vapes, it just becomes a substitute.

[–] Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 hours ago

I've quit both, and the first step was controlling the amount of nicotine I was inhaling. Once that went away I weened off all the other little triggers and cravings I want even aware of until I got hit with them.

[–] ivn@jlai.lu 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Joshi@aussie.zone 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Thankyou, I have been relying on an article I read several years ago, which in my memory was Cochrane also, I may be able to track it down. Turns out I'm out of date on that stat.

I stand by it having uncertain long term consequences when other forms of NRT are proven safe.

[–] ivn@jlai.lu 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I stand by it having uncertain long term consequences when other forms of NRT are proven safe.

Still better than smoking.

[–] Joshi@aussie.zone 1 points 11 hours ago

That's what we call damning with faint praise

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Buy the gum and patches as additional options. The ritual of putting cig to mouth is incredibly strong, especially if there are social factors in play.

You can't make someone quit your way, they have to quit their way.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

I think the ritual was the hardest part for me

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