Roadmap for this technology is there to see in cricket, rugby and the NFL. Just copy it lads.
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in the NFL it's not the same as in rugby (don't know cricket), the way it's done in the NFL is very similar to what they trialled at the World Cup in ANZ, where the referee explains the decision afterwards.
rugby on the other hand broadcasts the whole interaction between referee and VAR
Rugby broadcasts so much of what the referee says and it's honestly great for the sport. Shows how players and refs should interact, gives a model for all levels of the sport.
But it's all performative, they know and act like they're talking live on tv.
I kinda prefer the unvarnished chaos we get to hear with VAR.
Also what's being said is pretty much what you expect to hear.
But it's all performative, they know and act like they're talking live on tv.
Which is fine. They are operating to a standard and if they don't do so it becomes obvious live on TV.
Kinda like the NBA
Explains is over egging it a tad.
They pretty much just announce the call, if they make one.
If they don't make one they won't.
Hell this week they announced one, got a quick review, it changed and they didn't announce it.
If they put the actual NFL system in place people would lose there minds. Key fouls not reviewable, the flawed challenge system, the random quick reviews, the resistance to using tech (so goal line would be gone) and they will auto check a play that's been ruled a TD but not one that might be but isn't given on the field.
So a if a goal was given offside it wouldn't be checked automatically.
And while some people think refs guess in football, in the NFL they really guess at scoring players there's no way they can be 100% sure about and review doesn't have an angle either way.
Would be great, I think.
Can't see why anyone would be against this, it won't fix all the issues but will give fans an insight at least and the decision process and how refs came to the conclusion they did.
Do it then?
I literally don't see why it isn't. You might actually make VAR officials and the referee's lives a little easier if you did.
It is a rule.
Make all ref communication live, like rugby.
If they don't say "let's rock and roll that" like cricket umpires, what's the point?
Either way the next IFAB meeting is in March so it can’t happen before then.
But it's all performative, they know and act like they're talking live on tv.
I kinda prefer the unvarnished chaos we get to hear with VAR.
Also what's being said is pretty much what you expect to hear.
But it's all performative, they know and act like they're talking live on tv.
Which is fine. They are operating to a standard and if they don't do so it becomes obvious live on TV.
Rugby broadcasts so much of what the referee says and it's honestly great for the sport. Shows how players and refs should interact, gives a model for all levels of the sport.
But it's all performative, they know and act like they're talking live on tv.
I kinda prefer the unvarnished chaos we get to hear with VAR.
Also what's being said is pretty much what you expect to hear.
But it's all performative, they know and act like they're talking live on tv.
Which is fine. They are operating to a standard and if they don't do so it becomes obvious live on TV.
Can't see why anyone would be against this, it won't fix all the issues but will give fans an insight at least and the decision process and how refs came to the conclusion they did.
The VAR audio is so confusing because there are so many voices.
You could probably limit it to just hear the VAR side of things, we don't need to hear the ref arguing with players. I understand why they show that for complete transparency though, and it would still be a huge step forward.
Didn't they promise this least season as well?
Could be but won't be.
Pretty sure everyone called for it and PGMOL said they'd like to but claimed that they couldn't because of IFAB.
MLS had live VAR video & audio back in 2020 as a feature of their "MLS is Back Tournament" but was told to cut it out by IFAB afaik.
in the NFL it's not the same as in rugby (don't know cricket), the way it's done in the NFL is very similar to what they trialled at the World Cup in ANZ, where the referee explains the decision afterwards.
rugby on the other hand broadcasts the whole interaction between referee and VAR
Kinda like the NBA
Rugby broadcasts so much of what the referee says and it's honestly great for the sport. Shows how players and refs should interact, gives a model for all levels of the sport.
But it's all performative, they know and act like they're talking live on tv.
I kinda prefer the unvarnished chaos we get to hear with VAR.
Also what's being said is pretty much what you expect to hear.
But it's all performative, they know and act like they're talking live on tv.
Which is fine. They are operating to a standard and if they don't do so it becomes obvious live on TV.
Explains is over egging it a tad.
They pretty much just announce the call, if they make one.
If they don't make one they won't.
Hell this week they announced one, got a quick review, it changed and they didn't announce it.
If they put the actual NFL system in place people would lose there minds. Key fouls not reviewable, the flawed challenge system, the random quick reviews, the resistance to using tech (so goal line would be gone) and they will auto check a play that's been ruled a TD but not one that might be but isn't given on the field.
So a if a goal was given offside it wouldn't be checked automatically.
And while some people think refs guess in football, in the NFL they really guess at scoring players there's no way they can be 100% sure about and review doesn't have an angle either way.
Ah yes. Would love to hear a good old FUCK when they mess up the next match
If they don't say "let's rock and roll that" like cricket umpires, what's the point?
Yeah. Offside. Goal
You could probably limit it to just hear the VAR side of things, we don't need to hear the ref arguing with players. I understand why they show that for complete transparency though, and it would still be a huge step forward.
This is why I question how needed it truly is, that work is done by an image.
Now releasing the key moments right after they happen, like team radio in F1 like be interesting.
Explains is over egging it a tad.
They pretty much just announce the call, if they make one.
If they don't make one they won't.
Hell this week they announced one, got a quick review, it changed and they didn't announce it.
If they put the actual NFL system in place people would lose there minds. Key fouls not reviewable, the flawed challenge system, the random quick reviews, the resistance to using tech (so goal line would be gone) and they will auto check a play that's been ruled a TD but not one that might be but isn't given on the field.
So a if a goal was given offside it wouldn't be checked automatically.
And while some people think refs guess in football, in the NFL they really guess at scoring players there's no way they can be 100% sure about and review doesn't have an angle either way.
Didn't know Jude's father was the England FA's CEO
Make half time team talk public too. Fans need to hear that.
How would it work? Because the VARs basically start assessing the decision right away, so when does the audio come in?
It should be: no audio while they are reviewing the play. Audio while the decision is being communicated and explained to the referee.
Eg. "The player in question has been ruled offside, as the arm of the player X was past the offside line of the defenders Y foot. Goal is disallowed for offside".
This is why I question how needed it truly is, that work is done by an image.
Now releasing the key moments right after they happen, like team radio in F1 like be interesting.
It should be: no audio while they are reviewing the play. Audio while the decision is being communicated and explained to the referee.
Eg. "The player in question has been ruled offside, as the arm of the player X was past the offside line of the defenders Y foot. Goal is disallowed for offside".
This is why I question how needed it truly is, that work is done by an image.
Now releasing the key moments right after they happen, like team radio in F1 like be interesting.
It’s sucks that it has to turn into that. If they just did their jobs you wouldn’t have to put even more pressure on them to probably make even more mistakes lol
That's why I say to still release the audio but a bit later.
And it's a penalty cos he handballed it, it's a red for violent conduct, is what you would hear if they copied others, hardly needed.