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Tipping in U.S. restaurants has dropped to 19.3%, the lowest in six years, driven by frustration over rising menu prices and increased prompts for tips in non-traditional settings.

Only 38% of consumers tipped 20% or more in 2024, down from 56% in 2021, reflecting tighter budgets.

Diners are cutting back on outings, spending less, and tipping less. Some restaurants are adding service fees, further reducing tips.

Worker advocacy groups are pushing to eliminate the tipped-wage system, while the restaurant industry warns these shifts hurt business and employees.

Key cities like D.C. and Chicago are phasing in higher minimum wages for tipped workers.

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[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 75 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

Worker advocacy groups are pushing to eliminate the tipped-wage system, while the restaurant industry warns these shifts hurt business and employees.

Imagine having to pay a living wage, burger prices would explode!

Except, for example, there is a 12.82€ minimum wage in Germany and a hamburger ist still around 2€ at Burger King (about 1:1 in $ atm). Food and work safety are stricter too iirc. Workers also have 20 days of vacation minimum (if your work full-time), 60h weeks maximum @ 40h on average, as well as extra pay for night, weekend and holiday shifts. And health insurance is about 200 a month at that income I think.

Edit: Oh, and of course still 5-20% tipps.

You are getting screwed over completely. Anyone who claims otherwise is your enemy.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 28 points 16 hours ago

We had 150 million people decide to keep things going the way they are. Until a major slice of shit hits the proverbial fan, nothing will change. The American population is too fat, stupid, and lazy to make the change on its own.

[–] Exusia@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

I think it's more of a subsidizing thing. In the UK they get all these things and can't budge due to pushback and culture, so they subsidize those costs with cuts to other places, like shrinkflation in the US, and other places. Costs went up to ship their foodstuffs all over the world, buuuut they enabled tipping at POS in the US, getting poor suckers to make up the difference (they hope)

Not an excuse, but if the US put in place the same things the UK has, fast food would lose their biggest cost subsidy for more expensive places like the UK, and prices would actually go up (because the corpo suits can't take a fuckin pay cut obviously!)

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 89 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (9 children)

I mean...

2016, I went to a bar and got a 16oz beer, a burger and a basket of fresh fries for $18. I was happy to throw $3-5 on that for decent service, hell even subparbaervice.

Now it's an 11oz beer being sold as a 12oz beer for $9 and a $22 burger, add fries for $4

If I get 2 beers, it's $50 with a tip.

The fuck?

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[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 114 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

You can bet there was some more tolerance for it when there was some guilt for office workers staying at home while service roles had to stay on site during the height of covid.

The fact that so many point of sale make it a default thing to put it directly out there for someone to tip before any service is done and with that decision in view of everyone around doesn't sit well either

[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 58 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

I'm so fucking done with it, that I just assume everyone behind me is too. I happily hit that "No tip" button. Unless you provided an active service for me, or went above and beyond to get me something, then why do you deserve a tip? I have to pay you extra money for you to do your job correctly?

[–] Joeffect@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago

I only tip at restaurants and when I get my hair cut. All of this new tipping stuff, I have always assumed was just a generic update to enable it basically everywhere... I've always hit no tip... I don't feel bad for it... You're not getting paid 2 dollars an hour working at some random place that's not a restaurant... I've heard stories of employees not even getting those tips... It's a push for greed... That's it

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[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 35 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

And the default options are 20, 25, 30 some places.

[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Ive been at multiple places starting at 30. Fuck that.

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[–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 19 points 17 hours ago

I was in SoCal several months back and ended up in a candy shop. Nothing but drawers of candy on the walls and one desk in the middle with a young woman sitting behind the checkout tablet. I had a question or two, but she was neither helpful or knowledgeable (it's candy. not a difficult topic). She seemed very disinterested in engagement.

Well, I finish my selection, she scans and the tablet shows the totals with the big tip screen (NoTip-15-20-25%). I was taken aback that her job would get tips and wondered if she was paid enough before I smashed the NoTip button to finish up since she hadn't done a thing to merit one.

[–] hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 39 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

When was a kid in the 90s, tip was 10% of the $20 bill. By the time I was eating out a lot in my 20s we left 15% on the $35 because we liked the servers. Now the check is $50 and the "recommended" is creeping past 30%.

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Wasn't trump talking about making tips tax-free? It's only going to make the problem a lot worse. Maybe the problem getting so bad will reach a breaking point and we're seeing some of the effects of this aggressive push to shove tipping everywhere now.

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[–] datavoid@lemmy.ml 25 points 15 hours ago

Im glad I never eat out due to dietary restrictions. Why does ordering more expensive food entitle a server to more money for doing the same amount of work?

I assume I'm probably just too poor to understand.

[–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

I wonder if all of the places like Subway that are asking for tips and getting $0 because who the hell tips at a Subway, are throwing off this stat at all.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 24 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Probably not directly, but I think tipping fatigue is definitely affecting things. If you’ve been prompted 10 times already to tip at places you usually wouldn’t tip and then are in a sit down restaurant, you may very well feel inclined to tip less.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 11 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Employees at places like Subway and Starbucks could be getting screwed by no one using cash anymore too.

If I'm using a card there's no change to toss in the jar.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

We shouldn't have to subsidize someone else's shitty wages. People who rely on tips need to unionize and put that nonsense to bed for good.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 14 points 17 hours ago

Considering the article specifies “full-service restaurants,” Imma go with no

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[–] FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 20 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I used to love ordering pizza for delivery, and I'd give like 5-10 bucks as a tip which might be 30 or 50% just depending. But now nobody does their own delivery anymore, I pay extra for the food because they're outsourcing to Door Dash, and it takes two hours to get a pizza.

Delivery is dead as far as I can tell. All that's left is going through the fast food drive-through which is like 12-15 bucks nowadays. I'd rather just eat at home.

The only time I go out nowadays is when I'm with a friend.

[–] JWBananas@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I pay extra for the food because they're outsourcing to Door Dash, and it takes two hours to get a pizza.

It takes 2 hours because they're sending a bid to drivers for your delivery contract, which may also include someone else's delivery on the same route, for a base pay of $2 plus your tip. After enough drivers decline that, they add 25 cents and send it around again. This process repeats until someone (hopefully) eventually accepts it. And – whoops – the merchant''s contract with DoorDash requires the driver to have a pizza bag. So the bid only even gets seen by the subset of drivers who do.

That's $2, plus your tip. And that's if the merchant was nice enough to actually pass that tip along when they outsourced the delivery. They aren't contractually required to do so, and some don't.

As an unpaid independent contractor, if I can see it's an outsourced order (placed through the merchant instead of through the delivery marketplace), I won't even accept it, because it's also going to mean losing 10-20 minutes of unpaid time standing around waiting for the merchant (who sent out the contract way too early) to actually start making your pizza, that they already lied about being ready when they sent a notification to you and to me. It's nearly always a disaster.

Edit to add: Just order from Domino's, they do everything in-house.

[–] SoupBrick@yiffit.net 23 points 17 hours ago

Inflated prices and a lack of disposible income will do that.

[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 17 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

When I go out, I usually tip well. My sister used to be a bartender and waitress and she relied on tips.

That said, tipping is really screwed up now. I went to a stadium for a game once and the employee said that they don't receive the tips when you tip for buying a beer or whatever unless it's cash. That's messed up if true.

I used to think Mr. Pink was an asshole, but he was on to something. I wish tipping was eliminated completely.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 12 hours ago

Mr. Pink was definitely an asshole

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[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

I've seen tipping options on websites to pay your landlord

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago

My electric company has a tip line when paying the bill.

[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago

I don’t get the ones for products. I pay for a trendy pillow or whatever, also shipping at a flat rate, but then there’s a tip button? I just know that’s going straight to Shopify or management.

[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 22 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm pretty well done tipping unless I'm going to a sit down restaurant and the service is really good

You know what tipping is supposed to be used for

[–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 28 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You know what tipping is supposed to be used for

Yes, allowing management to pay less than a living wage so that the public can cover the rest.

I get your meaning (and agree), but tipping as a practice should be dead and gone.

[–] westyvw@lemm.ee 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yet no server will want to increase that wage because tips are much better.

This argument is always put out there but any server at a decent place would complain if you asked them to take a higher wage instead. Which we have seen over and over again. It's going to be hard to undo the tipping culture due to this.

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[–] RatzChatsubo@lemm.ee 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I know it's bad, but I've become a never tipper when I door dash food... It's just so insanely expensive for what I'm getting. I know I'm the problem, sorry

[–] westyvw@lemm.ee 6 points 11 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] gnomesaiyan@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I am a big believer in tipping and always tip the same way: I start at 18-20% and go down from there, based on service, friendliness, and food quality.

That said, I go out a lot less post-Covid, as the quality of the experience isn't what it used to be. I tend to stick to poke and sushi nowadays, as it tends to be fresher and the service better.

[–] theotherninjaturtle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

You know the server doesn't cook, right?

[–] Romkslrqusz@lemm.ee 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Food establishments I am familiar with see tips split/shared between front of house (servers, host, etc) and back of house (kitchen staff)

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[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Meanwhile federal minimum wage is still $7.25/hr. Less, if you're a server.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I will tip wait staff because I know they rely on it. Someone at the counter at Starbucks? No. They're not getting less than minimum wage and expected to make up the difference in tips.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

Depends on the state, too. In Washington wait staff get full minimum wage, which is the highest in the country.

So I feel a lot less bad leaving a smaller tip in Washington because they're being paid the same as everyone else, not artificially paid less with "tips supposed to make up the difference."

Also, semi-related: Olympia, Washington was one of UberEats best-tipping cities in 2023.

https://www.uber.com/newsroom/2023-uber-eats-cravings-report/

Customers in Olympia, WA, Asheville, NC and Bismarck, ND were the most generous tippers in the U.S.

So a city with the highest minimum wage in the country is also one of the cities that tips the best. Interesting.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 6 points 15 hours ago

To be fair, I don't think Uber Eats is paying minimum wage hourly anywhere

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[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I'm totally down with tipping for good service. But it's backwards. I'm suppose to tip before service. Personally, we have cut back going out with a lot of times thinking that it's too expensive. The worst is when there's a line behind you and the lowest tip preset is at %25. You have everybody looking at you while you try to set it lower.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Why are you tipping if there's a line? The line implies self service.

[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Fast casual

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