this post was submitted on 11 Jan 2025
3 points (51.9% liked)

Ask Lemmy

27414 readers
2154 users here now

A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions


Rules: (interactive)


1) Be nice and; have funDoxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them


2) All posts must end with a '?'This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?


3) No spamPlease do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.


4) NSFW is okay, within reasonJust remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either !asklemmyafterdark@lemmy.world or !asklemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com. NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].


5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.


6) No US Politics.
Please don't post about current US Politics. If you need to do this, try !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world or !askusa@discuss.online


Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.

Partnered Communities:

Tech Support

No Stupid Questions

You Should Know

Reddit

Jokes

Ask Ouija


Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Lemmy has a strong tendency to criticize the US, and a lot of the critiques of certain issue with the US are valid. However, I started getting really tired of opening comment sections in innocuous and non-political posts only to see that someone somehow found a way to criticize the US in it. At first, I started thinking that maybe some Lemmy users are really unhappy and find criticizing a something stronger helped them feel better as if standing up to injustice was a passion of theirs. But, we don't see them do that with other targets, just the US. The more I notice and think about it, I'm starting be suspicious that some of those users and comments aren't authentic, but made to create divisiveness in the West and reject the US entirely. In other words, they may be Russian, Chinese, et al. agents working to feed a stream of propaganda in order to further cause chaos and lack of unity in the West as we have seen them do before.

Anyone else think about this?

This is what I'm thinking the game plan is:

  1. Criticize something obviously unjust that the US has done. Ignore that all other major powers have also committed atrocities.
  2. Link and liken it to other US matters & behaviors
  3. Paint the US entirely as evil so that nothing the US can do is just
  4. Attack anyone that supports anything out of the US (we are between here and #3 above)
  5. Create a black-and-white model of geopolitics: US vs everyone else. EU and Russia on the same team lol
  6. West fragments as US and EU relationship dwindle from pseudo-populist movements (e.g. MAGA)
  7. Pick specific countries in the EU to start alienating and repeat the cycle
  8. ???
  9. Profit in special economic zones
(page 2) 34 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] ted@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 hours ago
[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

It really takes living in America to appreciate how necessary anti-american sentiment is. Regime change begins at home.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I would be surprised if hostile countries thought that Lemmy was popular enough to bother infiltrating. They probably haven't heard of Lemmy at all.

I think the explanation is simply that Lemmy's users are all contrarians, or else they would be using Reddit. Frequently they are of the international leftist sort due to the founder effect.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

I think the explanation is simply that Lemmy’s users are all contrarians, or else they would be using Reddit. Frequently they are of the international leftist sort due to the founder effect.

You also get pretty aggressively censored/banned for expressing opposition to US foreign policy on reddit. For example hexbear is on here and has the culture it has because it was originally a lifeboat for a leftist subreddit that got banned.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago

Welcome to a non US centric platform. Twitter, Facebook, Reddit,Digg, etc are all US centric platforms so there will be a pile-on when US criticism is mentioned.

Lemmy.world is not a US centric instance so you don't see the pile-on. You get actual opinion on an over represented country.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Stop fucking declaring war on your allies and neighbours if you don't want people fucking pissed at you.

When the sentiment is anti-west generally, and anti-EU, then it seems sus to me, just anti-American feels pretty valid.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

strong tendency to criticize the US

The whole world has been criticizing the USA since I was born 50 years ago. All I remember is that their way of life is declining all the time, they lied to go to war with Irak, and now they elected Trump, which makes is worse.

someone somehow found a way to criticize the US in it

I can say the reverse. All the time I see Americans talking about the USA in conversations where it is not the topic. What do you think about this? Like someone made a pizza in a random Asian country, and the whole conversation will switch to how NY pizzas are the best.

they may be Russian, Chinese, et al. agents

You're paranoid. It's the internet, it's global, everyone criticizes everyone else. As for causing chaos, you elected one of the most disgusting felon who exists, the chaos is already there.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago

I mean we'd be fools to think there aren't bots and propaganda here, but overall I think it's just that Lemmy leans left and the left isn't particularly proud of what we've become.

For the past 80 years, we've made the world a worse place for the benefit of Americans. Which I get, to a point. Our government is elected to take care of American interests. Sometimes that's not pretty and often I don't agree with what has been done in my name, but I can appreciate that someone was rung to do what was right for the country.

But over the past 25 years, it's no longer about what's best for Americans and is about what's best for American wealth. That doesn't include most of us. So there is very little redeeming about our government now, and this is what a majority is voters wanted. Welp...

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Whenever something occupies the entirety of the media landscape, it's bound to have at least some legitimate detractors.

As for specific divisive propaganda, let's say Russia and China, yes it's there, but they're more sophisticated than just going "America bad". China usually sticks to generalized anti-western hegemony, and Russia usually goes the Newt Gingrich route of choosing wedge issues.

While there's a lot of "America bad" sentiments going around, a lot of it is legitimate opinions while others default to it due to their tankie background. I think the actual propaganda segment is fairly low.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 3 points 4 hours ago
[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (6 children)

I agree wholeheartedly. My assumption was that such behavior was simply a symptom of the relatively larger proportion of Europeans on this site, and their obvious jealousy and insecurity regarding Americans. I still believe that is the most likely explanation. To be clear, America has done hella dumb shit lately, and is deserving of criticism on many fronts. But what OP is referring to goes beyond that. It's emotional animosity that overflows the bounds of reasonable criticism and targets individuals rather than governmental decisions or policies.

The number of times that I have seen people refer to the American contribution to WWII as cowardice, meaningless, etc, is too damn high. 400,000 Americans died in that war. Read a fucking history book you ignorant, insensitive fucks.

It's certainly possible that there are agents in our midst sowing divisiveness, although unlikely. I don't have any beef with any nationality, because I don't judge people based on where they were born. That should be common sense, but it's apparently difficult for some people to wrap their heads around.

[–] DankOfAmerica@reddthat.com -2 points 3 hours ago

Yes, thank you! This is what I was getting at. The critique isn't objective stuff. It seems deep-rooted and personal. It's not about being upset with an action or policy. It's hate.

load more comments (5 replies)
load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›