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The indian and white uniting as one with a $500 Billion budget (lemmy.ml)

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[+] solomon42069@lemmy.world 81 points 2 months ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

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[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Right and the scientists leave for places that are happy for the bump in experts.

Also if trump tanks the US dollar IMF loans will become cheap to pay back so large borrowers will see a nice bump plus be allowed to make more independent decisions.

[–] PuddleOfKittens@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Okay, counterpoint: If fascists can't produce decent engineers, then why did the US hire the nazi rocket scientists after WW2?

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Most of them predated the Nazis, the rocketeer community was thriving in the Weimar Republic. Also fun fact my great grandfather was part of one of the R&D projects that worked on V1s and V2s, his notes were looked over by Von Braun after the war. He got an angry thank you letter because my great grandfathers notes were basically him insulting the engineering and material quality while making suggestions for improvement.

Edit: I failed to mention my great grandfather was in the US Navy, he was in Florida at the time he wrote the notes I think.

[–] PuddleOfKittens@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Most Nazis predated the Nazis, the Nazis were only around 20ish years or so.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 months ago

Those scientists weren’t born during the Third Reich. They had always been there.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's already happened. Seriously, think about the last major innovation that came from a U.S. tech company. They've all gone to enshittification to try and extract as much value as they can from their consumers, because none of them are making good products. Now, with products like DeepSink coming out that clearly are focused on iterating and pushing tech forward, we're starting to see the effects of American tech stagnation.

[–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I don't know if I agree with this statement. If one of the main goals of the fascist state is technological superiority, they'll prioritize it. Nazi Germany was on the cutting edge of science, to the point that the US hired a bunch of their scientists. They made technology a priority at the expense of other sectors. Luckily, being incapable of trade or producing the resources they needed, they didn't outstrip the rest of the world, but the same likely can't be said for the US. I think other factors will get in the way of tech research in the US far more than fascism, like moronic trade wars and disincentives for higher education, which while being enacted by fascists, aren't necessarily fascist tenets, as proven by history.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

The problem with fascist and other authoritarian states and science is that it no longer becomes scientific when the authoritarians don't like the evidence.

Chernobyl is an example of authoritarians running science and engibeering. Hiding things they don't like and refusing to accept reality with the full weight of the government behind it.

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A lot of Nazi technology were just useless Wunderwaffe, while technologically impressive, mostly useless in the field. The V2 rocket was an impressive achievement, but not a price effective bombing system. The jet planes came too little too late. The big tanks were impressive, but too few to make a difference.

[–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That may be the case, but they made significant progress on rockets, nuclear, and discoveries in physics. Whether or not they were war effective, the scientific progress was there. Fascism isn't incompatible with technological progress, but resistance to higher education and anti-science sentiments are. In the long run, the loss of knowledge due to book burning and genocide may have caught up to them, but we thankfully don't know. The government could have continued to fund and focus on science.

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but also who knows what millions of jews who didn't survive the genocide could have accomplished in science and art if they stayed alive?

[–] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago

That's what I was referring to from the loss of knowledge due to genocide. Unfortunately, we'll never know.

[–] xkbx@startrek.website 65 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Fake: Open source is the most efficient way to get communities to push and develop technology. People gathering to discuss, work, and share solely for the interest of the subject, serves the subject. People putting in effort in exchange for resources will only be serving self-interest, and never be wholly dedicated to the project goal.

Gay: Capitalists are only interested in advancing technology for monetary gain; if reversing genuine improvement serves their greed, they will do (and have done) so.

Edit: double gay, most open source people are also wearing cute thigh high socks rn

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 50 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Attacking their arguments is pointless. Attack their sense of pride and superiority. Make them appear foolish and weak. Point out that they're too late to stop open-source models, and that their sense of superiority blinded them to notice that a new, cheaper snake oil had outclassed theirs.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

False. Attack their groin. The groin is the weakest part of the body.

[–] tehfishman@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Both: sense of pride and superiority is stored in the balls

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

Then remove all the open source data from your models.

[–] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

I have already depicted open source as Chad, and the closed source as the virgin.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

"Nah."

[–] ddplf@szmer.info 9 points 2 months ago

Yes, yes they should. Along with the closed source ones.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago

I mean, everything should be open source. There’s way too many good games and useful applications that have become abandonware, that could have been saved.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Break their Skull with a Keyboard and shove a Mouse up their Ass.

[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

it's not even open source tho, "open source" ai models where they release the weights are basically just freeware, actual open source is where they release the training mechanisms and training data