Explosive as hell, decent handle, AND he was a good/great 3 pt shooter. I’m not mad at his career but the ceiling is way higher
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Watching Vince you could tell how good he was, one of the more complete players of all time imo
Real hoopers know Vince had the talent to be a top 10 player ever and rival Kobe. Unfortunately just spent his prime on badly run teams
Vince just never had that takeover gene. Had lots of chances in NJ
Get real dude.
VC is the best dunker ever but he never showed potential to be top 10 all time. Not even close.
Top 10 is a real tough bracket to crack, but ai will say he had more natural talent and ability than Kobe.
He didn't have a great motor either
I've heard the exact same thing said about TMac over the years. I don't know whether it's true or not, and the only ones who can actually answer that is themselves. I will say though, when it comes to pure talent, TMac and Vince are easily up there for players who didn't live up to their potential, which is pretty crazy considering how good their careers were.
We definitely did see T-Mac close to his full potential in the 2003 seasons, it's just that it didn't last long due to injuries
Lol this discourse is always funny because players like T-Mac and Vince definitely put in more work than 90% of the population at their respective occupations
Just that we have people like Kobe that set the precedent of Mamba Mentality and never taking a second of the day off to the point where he’s getting 4 hours of sleep
I mean the results showed, but 99.9% of people are not working that hard
Which doesn’t make them lazy either, they’re just not batshit crazy like Bean
Just that we have people like Kobe that set the precedent of Mamba Mentality and never taking a second of the day off to the point where he’s getting 4 hours of sleep
Not saying he didn't work hard, but folks gotta also realize a lot of that is marketing and hype and narratives built around people. We didn't hear about "mamba mentality" when kobe was trying to rap and shit.
When ever someone boast about being sleep deprived because he works too hard he's bullshiting, especially for athletes. How you gonna train hard if you don't give your body proper rest to recover.
There's a correlation between lack of sleep and cancer. I've always found it odd people boast about no sleep and able to work.
Sure you can get tons of shit done but when is over get ready for the diseases that will ravage your body when you retire.
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No one is interested in whether they put in more work than some random at Taco Bell or some booze hound faking his hours to get more beer money.
What’s the point in even considering that?
If someone is blessed by genetics with a level of physical talent that outpaces 99.9% of the general populace is everyone supposed to be impressed that they beat out 99.9% of the general populace by basically not doing drugs to the point of ruining themselves or not committing a crime that got them put in the system?
Being born talented and not fucking it up isn’t a positive it’s just not a negative.
If a guy born into the 99.9% of athletes decides to coast I won’t say he shouldn’t do that but I also wont lie and say he didn’t coast or couldn’t have been better.
Kobe wanted to meet his max potential, approximate quote was he wanted to squeeze out all of the juice he had.
If Vince wanted to be elite while putting in professional level of effort but not give 90 hrs on an expected 40 hr work week it doesn’t make him bad. But let’s not pretend it isn’t what it is and compare him to “90% of the population”.
Also stupid of a McGrady and Carter not to have Shaq as teammate. They didn't want it enough
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TMac had some dope kicks though. In middle school in the early 00s, I had a pair of TMac 2.0s in white and blue.
The GOAT shoes and it’s not close.
That’s a BOLD statement lol
My buddy gave me his pair of Tmac 1. I have wide feet and those fuckers hurt. I wore the fuck out of them things.
Those were dope AF at the time. Definitely the coolest shoe when they came out
Does this look like a guy ready to play a Game 7 series clincher in a few hours?
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Everyone forgets about Rockets T-Mac. There was a few seasons in Houston where there was a legit conversation as to whether he or Kobe was the best 2 in the league.
TMac's peak was much higher than Carter's, he just had lots of injuries.
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Dude should never have left toronto, we could have had something special with him and T-MAC... that said, hindsight is 20-20 and the organization was dogshit back then (the owners are still dogshit but at least we have masai in the FO now)
Tmac left before Vince
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kobe with vince body probably close to mj
Kobe is already close to MJ…
Style wise, sure
L take, Kobe is the closest thing to MJ
Kobe with Vince's body and athlecism is MJ.
The difference between Kobe and Jordan wasn't just phyisicality or athleticism. What are we doing here?
I heard it bowlth wayz b
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Ah yes, known winners Gilbert Arenas and Brandon Jennings opining on what mindset you need to be a winner.
this dude talks too much and just be saying anything to get posted. i just stop reading once i see "gilbert arenas says"
Arenas is an idiot
Carter had a great, long, career and will be remembered. Plus he made multi-generational wealth.
Not everyone wants to be a psychopath who lives to be a top 10 player ever.
Facts, life is just bigger than being the greatest to play the game. Or doing any career for that matter
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Everything Vince did looked smooth. Everything. If he had that killer instinct absolutely he could’ve been a generational talent.
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Has Vince in his prime ever been blocked on a dunk attempt? I don’t think he has
Realest thing Hibachi has ever said. Vince had all the talent to be MJ, he just didn't have the killer instinct. Give him Kobe or KG's killer instinct and more durability in his prime, and he would've been in the top 5 all time.
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VC and tmac had the unique ability to be so outrageously athletic yet smooth and controlled, that the game looked like it came extremely easy to them. They could pretty much give you 25-5-5 in their sleep but for all we know they were working close to their max. Not everyone has the gift of extreme mamba-style dedication
Toronto guy here and huge VC fan until he quit playing hard…Leo Rautins said this point which I think is 100% true: Nobody in the history of the NBA scored 30 points easier than Vince Carter.
I agree. If he had Mj’s or Kobe’s killer instinct he would have been all time great.
TMac had ~50 more 30 point games than VC. Kobe and Jordan had hundreds more.
I remember JKidd and Grant Hill questioned his work ethic and bad eating habits.
But I also remember one teammate mentioning how naturally strong Vince was.
He had all the tools. It really is a shame.
Fun fact: Vince Carter and T-Mac are cousins.
Did he say he didn’t like Toronto because we traded him? That’s not right.
I was obsessed with UNC when Carter and Jameson were seniors. Probably some of my most joyful memories watching basketball. Vince was hella good, I don’t think there’s justification for off hand slander like this from Gilbert tho, its not like Vince washed out the league without ever showing how good he was. It’s kinda endearing to hear he was just too nice to be a killer for 10+ years.
The mental aspect of the game is what separates players.
It takes more than just skills and physical attributes to be that "guy" and to reach the next level or to reach the highest tier.
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