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[–] justalittleahead@alien.top 2 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Neymar now holds the record for most international assists after his assist against Venezuela.

Landon Donovan had 58, and there was a post on here last month that didn't show anybody else who had more.

[–] mr_nice_cack@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So what’s you’re saying is Donovan > Neymar Jr.?

[–] justalittleahead@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Nah. The facts clearly say that Neymar > Landon Donovan.

But Landon Donovan > Lionel Messi > Cristiano Ronaldo

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[–] joeDUBstep@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Donovan was unironically a pretty damn good NT player.

Real shame he sufferered from depression and took a sabbitcal after his loan at Everton.

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[–] Mrjuicyaf@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Neymar thinks he's on the team

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[–] Undercoverpizzalover@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

38 of those goals was against Luxembourg or at the very least it feels like it… y u always gotta destroy us cristiano :(

[–] Affectionate-Hunt217@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

He did score that super hat trick once against Sweden

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[–] Eashan_Chowdhury@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I prefer Suarez as the worlds 3rd best player .

[–] Alive-Ad-4164@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago
[–] Legitimate_Secret_79@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] mynameismulan@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Chupa cu ☠️

[–] vacacow1@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Neymar with Brazil was nuts

[–] 8catslater@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Sadly for all his efforts he hasn’t won anything for Brazil. Not even a Copa America

[–] FlexKavanah@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

2013 Confederations Cup.

[–] Separate_Pound_753@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Olympics at least

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[–] dethmashines@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

People take for granted Ronaldo's stats but Portugal was not a football superpower that people think they might be today. Even today, they lack severely in defense and attacking options at the very top compared to teams like Argentina, Poland (currently under-performing) and Brazil.

It's shocking that he and his team won the Euros at any point given Portugal have barely been an international side in all of their history.

[–] lIIIIllIIIlllIIllllI@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Poland?

That’s gotta be a typo

[–] Rapper_Laugh@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

???? Portugal have been an international side since 1921, and have placed in the top three at the 1966 WC, 1984 euros, 2000 euros, and got second in 2004. They aren’t Germany or Brazil, but it’s not like they’re Iceland. They’ve long been respectable.

[–] figocosta9@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

That’s really inflating their tournament runs. They had only ever qualified for 3 World Cups before Ronaldo joined the team. They had made the semis twice in the history of the Euros but again had only qualified for 3 European Championships in their history before 2004. They are nowhere near the powerhouses that either Argentina or Brazil were and I don’t think it’s wrong to say they were not influential at all in World Cup football except for one tournament run. They were stronger in the Euros, yes, but they were not very present. It’s more down to the recent expansions and an explosion in Portuguese talent that has allowed Portugal to actually be regular tournament competitors.

[–] Adiemla98@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is some next level crazzy take... Portugal were never powerhouses, but they have allways been competitive in the Ronaldo era, the early 90's and 80's were portugal weakest years, then we had Figo's generation leading up to Ronaldo. Its just stupid comparing them to poland just cuz they have Lewa upfront .

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[–] Far-East-locker@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Wouldn't that make Ronaldo's stats easier to obtain because he is on a weaker team? Basically, the ball always goes to him because others on the team aren't as good; he simply doesn't need to share the ball like Messi and Neymar

[–] Cueisnow@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

A few days ago some portuguese dudes were claiming their national team was better than the Netherlands lol

[–] thegeniusgod2@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

LOL, what? They have Felix, Rafael Leao, Bernado Silva, Bruno Fernandes and Ronaldo himself in attack. Not to mention young talents like Ramos. Is that what you called "severely lacking".

[–] TlGER-WOODS@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I would say neymar is the best international player ever after ronaldo, messi is probably a close 3rd

[–] grossexistence@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

You mean Ronaldo Nazario?

[–] Hollow-Margrave@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Stat wise maybe but Messi is the only one who played in 2 world Cup finals, winning one.

[–] Appropriate-Shoe-266@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Are you crazy? Lmao

[–] James_D_MESSIAH@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

lmaoooo you L

cry7 is just a garbage player then?

8-5 CLEAR

MESSI IS THE WORLD CHAMPION

[–] joeDUBstep@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Lmao pendu is your 🐪

[–] OsoArrogantRob@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I want to see their stats in major international tournaments.

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[–] mobprimary@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

3 greatest players of this generation

[–] BIacksnow-@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I’d rank Suarez above Neymar.

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[–] Ghostface1357@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just to note, some of ESPN’s statistics aren’t Opta based, so I don’t know exactly where they got their data from (probably Transfermarkt).

Opta stats:

Ronaldo has 34 assists, not 45.

Messi had 53 assists, not 56.

Neymar has 58 assists, not 59.

[–] FathomSwank@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (10 children)

I've heard Lewandowski, Modric, Benzema, Suarez all have a better claim to 3rd greatest player of this generation over Neymar. Laughable. If you look at stats he passes with flying colors and if you do the eye test he passes with flying colors. He didn't fulfill his potential I agree, but people talk as if he's a complete failure.

[–] madridista521@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

All 4 of those players, and you can add Bale to the mix, were just much better for much longer.

Neymar is probably the most talented of them all, but he was just never available and failed his teams time after time.

Best ability is availability.

[–] Salanha04@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

The Barça's Neymar yes, PSG's Neymar not even close. He seems to deal better when he has better company to put him into confortable positions close to the box from the left (who would've guessed), but in Brazil and PSG they insisted to make him a 10 and he absolutely sucks in that position

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[–] hotel_air_freshener@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

People push this narrative of him "not fulfilling his potential" I just dont follow. He's all time top scorer for Brazil and ahead of Roando and Messi for assists! How, by any metric, is that unfulfilled potential? He's been the heart of several lackluster Brazilian sides but really can't do much more. The diving just pisses people off, which I get.
History will treat him better.

[–] NUPreMedMajor@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

It’s simply because he wins no big trophies while leading a team

You cannot get away from that fact

Same issue with Kane

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[–] nofakefans18@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Laughable that Lewa has been a world class #9 since 2012? Who genuinely has the case to have two Ballon d’Ors and has scored at an insane rate since going to Bayern? And also led his team to a treble which is more than anything Neymar has done without Messi?

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[–] MathematicianOne5458@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Penalties and headers.

[–] javierich0@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Brazil let Neymar down, not the other way around. Incredible stats.

[–] eescobar863@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

A healthy Neymar would have won a Ballon d’Or

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[–] RamPamPam8@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not downplaying Ronaldo, but I feel as if 178 goals or 128 goals against countries like Brazil/Argentina, Uruguay, Colombia or Ecuador (specially in the heights) are "worth" much more than goals scored against the likes of Luxemburgo or Malta.

Its probably just bias, but a factor worth considering regardless, considering how much tighter Conmebol is (also applies to Suarez I feel)

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[–] generativePI@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Ronaldo never had finishers around him like Neymar and Messi. They've played with some absolute talent at Argentina and Brazil when compared to Portugal.

[–] JS569123@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, Messi and Neymar are so lucky. Ronaldo is stuck with bums like Checks notes Bernardo Silva, Rafael Leao, Joao Cancelo and Checks notes again Joao Felix, Ruben Dias, Bruno Fernandez…

[–] TryHardKurd@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

lol he didnt have these dudes on portugal with him until he was 37/38 years old. he won the euro in 2016 with players like joao mario and nani up front with him

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[–] ancara_messi@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Always playing victim as if Portugal aren't always filled with talent and underachieving. Portugal screwing up is their fault. They have had world class players before and even today have one of the most stacked teams in international football

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[–] GMFinch@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

World cups won?

[–] mofoofinvention@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Ronaldo is my goat

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