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[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 323 points 1 month ago (50 children)

After Andy Yen's endorsement of the orange utan, I would seriously reconsider using any Proton product.

Yen tried to backpedal meekly several times since then, to get out of the pickle he got himself into with his definitely-not-impressed customers, but it's a bit late for that: either he's pro-Trump or he's naive. Either way, he makes Proton sketchy.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 94 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Idc if I likes Trump or not (even though Trump is garbage); but I do care that he says the Republicans - the party that has spent years attacking encryption and privacy, who has sued to obtain private medical records of women and trans people who see doctors, and who is funded by billionaire big tech moguls - is the better option for privacy.

Also just taking ANY position for a leader of the US - one of the biggest parties to the Five Eyes agreement - just leaves a bad taste.

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 44 points 1 month ago (21 children)

Do you have any recommendations for someone who just uses them for email?

[–] infeeeee@lemm.ee 50 points 1 month ago (3 children)
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[–] Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I've been using Tuta for more than 8 years now and had one serious issue with their service during this time (longer outage, pretty early on). Other than that I have nothing but positive experience with them.
They're also based in Germany if that makes any difference.

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[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've been a Runbox customer for many years. Never had any problem with them. They're located in privacy-friendly Norway.

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[–] blackjam_alex@lemmy.world 170 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not even Bluesky, they went straight to Reddit. Shame.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 69 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's a sad day when "you can find us over on Discord" is a better option.

[–] Dil@is.hardlywork.ing 24 points 1 month ago

At least reddits getting selfaware enough that every other post is ppl getting mad at ppl telling them to google since those posts are what they find off google, or they've already googled and found nothing.
The immediate assumption that everyone is an idiot who hasnt tried to google is annoying but used to be valid, ppl got lazy there (including me) and would just ask questions that were easily googleable, the issue is those posts are now first on google and none of them have answers lol

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 163 points 1 month ago (8 children)

This might sound crazy but this is way worse to me than the CEO simping for orange man. At least for Trump he has a semi plausible excuse.

Reposting stuff on Mastodon or Bluesky barely requires any additional effort. And I cannot think of a good reason to close abandon the free publicity when they already have it set up.

[–] balder1991@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And I’d have thought the potential customers segment are exactly the Mastodon users.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yea this is worse. The politics thing could be brushed off as Andy Yen being uneducated on American politics. Moving away from an already established fediverse platform is contradictory to Proton's mission. It doesn't take more than a minute to copy paste their xitter posts to Mastadon.

[–] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think the reason is that every time they post something, someone there points out the Andy Yen thing. Thats basically the only comments. So its detrimental to their business.

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[–] kbal@fedia.io 104 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Pointing people to reddit, as if that's an alternative. When a VPN provider makes such bad choices it's tempting to imagine that the decision was influenced by somebody who wants to secretly get the message out that the company is no longer to be trusted, because it's hard to see any other logic in it.

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[–] finkrat@lemmy.world 89 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 17 points 1 month ago (9 children)

I'm searching for a safe and cheap alternative for my own domain, but it's hard! And I don't want to give money to American companies.

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[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 62 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Ouch! They really are working hard on getting any privacy oriented person to leave them.

I'm glad I have moved away from them.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 25 points 1 month ago

fleeing to reddit of all place, banning any instance of discourse, much like facebook is now.

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[–] dan00@lemm.ee 58 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Such delicate snowflakes these ceos…

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[–] Chonk@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago (3 children)

What kind of expensive resources you need to just post on Mastodon?

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 23 points 1 month ago (7 children)

ability to silence, and censor or criticism,?-proton probably

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[–] bufalo1973@lemm.ee 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So first taking Trump's side and now that...

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[–] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well this is certainly one of the decisions of all time. I guess we finally got our reaction from the board. I was waiting, hoping to hear some rebuke of Yen’s bullshit. Didn’t expect another intentional step into shit. Bye Felicia.

[–] thagoat@lemmy.sdf.org 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 34 points 1 month ago

Proton is really just trashing their rep.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 1 month ago (3 children)

One wonders why the rest of the Proton Foundation hasn't stepped in and gotten rid of Andy; I assume it's just because they don't actually care about privacy, they're just cryptonerds.

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[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Do they really need a team of people to post the same thing to X, Mastodon, BkueSky, etc? I'm honestly surprised they don't have some bot to make all the posts for them to those services. Sounds like a cop out to me.

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[–] chemicalprophet@slrpnk.net 29 points 1 month ago
[–] kaamkiya@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Welp, I guess I'm switching to Tuta now.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Gross. I’m slowly moving from ProtonMail to Port87, which is kind of embarrassing because I made Port87 and launched it almost two years ago. Switching email providers is hard though. You have to update everything.

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

I feel like those resources are about to get even more limited.

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

I wonder if Andy was watching fuckface destroy Unity, and just thought to himself, What could I say or do to aggressively power-fuck the Proton brand?

[–] tonytins@pawb.social 21 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Glad I was always suspicious of Proton.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not, they are a bunch of researchers having their servers in the country with the most privacy protective laws in the world.

Sure, criticise them when they do bad things, but what do you propose, google mail (etc.)?

If you don't have some real information you are just following a gut feeling (which by the way is the simplest to manipulate) and I think that is kind of curious actually.

I like Proton, I have their email & VPN, works like a charm, and their servers are in nuke safe bunkers in the swiss mountains.

The only other company that I have seen that isn't shady like for sure seems to be Mullvad, I mean if you hate the swiss or something or prefer the swedes ...

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[–] Snoopy@piefed.social 20 points 1 month ago (5 children)

That doesn't take lot ressource for communication on both social network.

[–] simple@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

I'll take a guess that they are going back to Reddit so they can control what gets posted and shown to others. They got railed on Mastodon following the drama, which is probably why they're leaving.

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[–] oyzmo@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

From the statement on their webpage: " We believe in people before profits, and our primary shareholder is the non-profit Proton Foundation whose mission is to fight for an open internet that promotes freedom of speech and freedom of information."

[–] lig@lemmings.world 18 points 1 month ago

Lately, their posts on Mastodon became full of comments questioning their CEO political views. I guess, this is the answer to those, a clear one.

[–] M1k3y@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Three years ago I made an issue on their feedback page because the android app doesn't really work on degoogled phones, it requires gms for notifications. Still not fixed.

Nice privacy focused App that can't fully be used if you take privacy seriously.

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[–] UnfairUtan@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I've committed a bunch of relatives and myself to a year of the Family plan, and now most of us want to leave.. What a mess.

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