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In 2015-16 Kobe had the highest salary in the league at $25 million.

He put up 17.5/4/3 with the 4th highest usage rate that year playing around 28 MPG. Shooting splits of 36/28/83 for the 7th lowest TS% in the league. Meanwhile, the lakers finished bottom of the West with a 17-65 record.

Looking at advanced metrics: 2nd worst plus minus per game, 4th worst defensive box plus minus, 7th lowest win shares and 2nd lowest WS/48 (both negative) and all of which are the worst among Lakers players that year.

I understand he was injured and it was a farewell tour but purely from a production relative to salary perspective is this the worst season by a player ever or would it still be better than e.g a star being injured all year or refusing to play but making the max.

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[–] nowhathappenedwas@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bill Bradley was the highest paid player in the league as a rookie in 1968.

He averaged 8/3/3 on below average efficiency in the regular season and 6/1/0 in the playoffs.

[–] Amedais@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay, but I bet he made like $20k per year lol.

[–] scifier2@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

$20k was a lot back then.

[–] SmoothBrews@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

After researching this issue, I'm both amazed and bewildered about a few things.

Amazed: Bradley was drafted twice. First in 1965 by the 76ers, but he said "Nah, fuck that." He didn't sign a contract, played ball in Italy, went to Oxford, dropped out, and then went into the Air Force. Then joined the Knicks in 1967.

Bewildered: Why the fuck does Bill Bradley look like an old man at the age of 22?

[–] jlakbj@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

For some reason I thought this was about Bill Russell and could not have been more surprised upon clicking that link

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[–] HatefulDan@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In advance, I understand the question, but given the subject matter and the player you chose as an example, it comes across as a bit of an attempt at engagement mining.

Kobe made more money for the Lakers than what they could've ever given him on his farewell tour...Kobe is STILL making them money even though he is no longer here.

Again, I understand the question but you didn't choose a great example. You went with something more akin to a hot take.

Just my .02 cents.

[–] OkKindheartedness769@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No it’s a fair critique, I’m not a fan of legacy contracts so that probably factored into why I used the example and like you said he put enough people in seats to makeup the money anyway

[–] momsbasement420@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't know if culture matters as much in basketball anymore because a lot of players move around so much now, but it does set a good precedent as an organization to take care of your own later in their career. It can attract future players at least theoretically

[–] baseketball@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Lakers attract players just because of the location and franchise history. If they want to overpay an old injured Kobe, I've got nothing against it, but I don't think the legacy contract helped or hurt them in any way.

[–] OkKindheartedness769@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess it depends on what kind of culture you want to promote, Timmy D took major salary cuts as his production dropped and he got older which atleast in my head is sending out the message of here the team and it’s performance always comes first. Obviously you can’t blame Kobe for taking the bag he was offered but I just don’t like organizations promoting the star is bigger than the team

[–] sae1ohh@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

huh? why would they pay Kobe less when Lakers weren't going anywhere anyways. They weren't trying to bring in star players to win a ring. Lakers fans didn't give a fuck about that contract.

But that’s quite literally my point. Lakers gave Kobe the 2 year max extension rather than asking him to take a cut and trying to sign free agents when he was already washed from injury because of his fan love/box office appeal and prioritized the farewell tour over rookie development for the same reasons: the culture is about putting on a show through the stars not ensuring consistent team success a la the Spurs. You’re quoting the culture to refute my criticism of the culture.

[–] rajs1286@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Production for Kobe may have been meh on the court but the action of paying your franchise player (who won 5 rings, something nobody has done since) a max deal set the lakers up for the Lebron years.

Why do you think Lebron came here? Also that 2016 farewell tour was a record breaking revenue year and we were also able to tank. Literally EVERYBODY won in that

[–] TheSecretofBog@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Using advanced metrics, sure. However, how much dinero did he generate with tv, apparel and ticket revenue, as everybody clamored to see the farewell tour? Worth it.

[–] Jr9065@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Barkley’s 1 million so the Rockets could sign Pippen but that failed. You can argue it was worse the season after

[–] Carth_Onasi_AMA@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Crazy that $25 million was the highest salary in the league and it wasn’t even that long ago. Now Giannis is signing for over $60 million.

Wonder how retired players feel like are they happy for the next generation or do people like Scottie end up bitter that they made less than league minimum

Agent Zero, Gilbert Arenas, was paid some $62 million by the Magic over three years to play zero minutes.

[–] Rymasq@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Dallas Mavericks traded for Davis Bertans who made 17 million to score 4.6 ppg in 10 mpg.

There are far worse contracts, but no one EVER mentions how useless the Bertans contract is for Dallas that is in win now mode

[–] The_MadStork@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

This is a good one. Nobody talks about how bad the Porzingis for Dinwiddie/Bertans trade was for the Mavs

[–] mhgiantsfan@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Not the worst but man I was disappointed in Ben "Jordan" Gordon on the Pistons. Dude fell off a cliff

[–] nflonx@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

the team around Kobe that year was awful

[–] f5kkrs@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Kobe generated an insane amount of $$ for the Lakers and the NBA that season. Plus that final game was the equivalent of 50 wins IMO.

[–] SovietHockeyFan@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Oliver Miller was paid actual money to play professional basketball

[–] Sean888888@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It's gotta be Mozgov, Luol Deng, or Gilbert Arenas right?

[–] edded4freefood4@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The 2016 free agent class had lots stupid money thrown around to players never worth the money due to the huge jump in salary cap:

Timofey Mozgov 4 yrs/$64M Hassan Whiteside 4 yrs/$94M Mirza Teletovic 3 yrs/$30M Andre Drummond 5 yrs/$130M Nicolas Batum 5 yrs/$130M Chandler Parsons 4 yrs/$94M Solomon Hill 4 yrs/$48M Luol Deng 4 yrs/$72M Jon Leuer 4 yrs/$42M Bismack Biyombo 4 yrs/$72M Ian Mahinmi 4 yrs/$64M Ryan Anderson 4 yrs/$80M

[–] Dymatizeee@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

These ppl all robbed the NBA 😂

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[–] RonKilledDumbledore@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

How is Ben Simmons 2021-22 OR 2022-23 not #1 here?

[–] jm810112@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Didn't the Lakers pay Luol Deng for like 6 years after he stopped playing?

[–] Firefoxray@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I love Udonis Haslem, my second favorite Heat player of all time, but man got paid millions for elite 6-7 years for doing nothing lol

[–] RunninOnMT@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Andrew Nicholson continues to get paid about 3 Million a year by the Blazers. He's on the books next year as well.

Hasn't played in the NBA since 2018.

[–] pickledelbow@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Ben Simmons the last three years

[–] Mysterious-Oven-61@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Imagine if Lebron put up numbers like that 😂

[–] b_fellow@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Almost no one will remember Jim McIlvaine getting paid by the Sonics to effectively just be a shot blocker and commit as many fouls against the best Centers in the league.

[–] Kev0nL00ney@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Giannis making 60+ a year. Insane that the highest was 25 less than a decade ago.

[–] RandomStranger79@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It's wild that salaries have jumped from $24m to $60m in less than a decade.

[–] ec2xs@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Jim Mcilvaine got paid about $5 million (more than Pippen, Malone, and Kemp at the time) to average 4 points and 4 rebounds.

[–] Jweeeeezy@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Evan Fournier

[–] Teleporter456789@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

John Wall was paid 44m to not play for the Rockets

[–] amppy808@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Case closed. Why didn’t they play him?

[–] MiyagiBro@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  1. Tanking

  2. Reps for younger guys

He had no place in the Rockets' future, so it makes sense that Wall would shit on the team after leaving. He was a "has-been" who was trying to salvage a last bit of his credibility of a player by trashing the organization.

[–] savagexmyfavorite@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He wanted to play and help and they told him to fuck off.

Crazy he said fuck you to them lmao

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[–] Sharcbait@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago
  1. he was awful.
[–] guitmusic12@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

To get Jabari smith…

[–] NotAn0pinion@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

They did all of that losing without him, who was the highest paid player who contributed to a lot of losing?

[–] Magnetronaap@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

If he didn't play he did what the Rockets wanted, technically making it a good performance from their perspective.

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[–] whydoesgodhateus@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

That season where Wall flat out didn't play but was making an obscene amount of money?

[–] InviteTop8946@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not counting injuries?

I don't remember what He do Turkoglu made in Toronto, but he left to get drunk in Europe

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