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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 107 points 1 month ago (48 children)

As much as I hate Elon, this is a terrible idea. Cheap Chinese trash mobiles built by Uyghur slave labor are not the answer.

How about we build cars in Canada instead?

[–] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 65 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Except they aren't trash, they're better than Teslas that's for sure.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 1 month ago (17 children)

They are still data hungry, surveillance machines that are allways online and gps tracked. We need cars without that kinda shit built in.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago

There has been talks about forcing Chinese cars to come over disconnected. Every new car is a surveillance machine. The western brands will not be asked to disconnect anything and it will probably be illegal to do so yourself, so Chinese cars might be an actual win in that regard.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 month ago

American car company secretly send your driving data to your insurance company so they can squeeze more out from you for any minor reason they see fit. There's no reason canada insurance company won't do that. Scared about chinese car collecting your data is kinda missed the point, you should have stronger data protection instead.

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[–] bluGill@fedia.io 48 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Build cars in Germany, Japan, South Korea and the like. focus on something non car you can sell to them in return. You can do anything but not everything.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Building cars is something we already do in Canada. And there's currently a lot of capacity coming online to build electric cars. Pretty much the entire car could be sourced from Canadian parts, including the batteries. I think semi-conductors are the only thing that doesn't have a domestic source right now.

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[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 74 points 1 month ago (6 children)

i would find amusing if countries retaliate US tariffs by singling out Musk and Trump companies

[–] big_slap@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think this is the sanest thing that has been said in the last couple of hours. I'm still recovering from the trump speech from yesterday, so not totally sure.

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[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 67 points 1 month ago (19 children)

I have a better alternative: invest in viable alternatives to driving! expand protected bike lanes, build the damn high speed rail, more trains, trams and bus lines. One more asphalt lane for cars wont solve traffic problems :)

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 50 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Replacing nazi cars with slave labor cars is a pretty fucked up idea.

[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Pretty much anything that you've ever owned has been made from the exploitation of some working class somewhere. The clothes you wear. The house you live in. The electronics that you use. The furniture that you own. The very food you eat and drink is often cheap because of an exploited worker somewhere that's paid pennies on the dollar. Your going to draw the line at a drastically cheaper car that's leaps and bounds better for the environment than a petrol vehicle? Okay.

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[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Top that with copyrights removal on Tesla tech.

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 34 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Or just fix public transit for fucks sake. Evs are a distraction from the problemm

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[–] small44@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

Why not both

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (27 children)

I obviously don't understand the economics of it and I realize that China will always have the upper hand on price but is there a reason every western EV has to be $40,000+? Like surely it's possible to build a barebones model for less than 30k right - especially if I don't need or even want touch screens or fancy interior materials or heated seats or anything.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If I specifically don’t want touch screens, what then?

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[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago

Western culture is built on delivering value to shareholders first and foremost.

[–] doctordevice@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago

That's why I snatched up a Bolt before Chevy (temporarily, they say) discontinued the line. I even did upgrade it a little to get heated/cooling front seats and a heated steering wheel plus the extra safety features. $32.5k with a $7.5k rebate from the federal Clean Vehicle Credit. So $25k for a car with a 175-280 mile range. (175ish in winter when the battery is less efficient, 280 in summer).

Of course the IRS fucked up the point of sale rebate when I was purchasing, but it's finally incoming with my taxes this year.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Higher profit margins.

Europeans get the bulk of cheaper and smaller EVs. Meanwhile in North America, Ford stopped selling sedans. It’s a niche that car makers could fill if they wanted to.

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[–] AlienContact2049@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 month ago

I think we should build them ourselves.

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Someone's doing the happy hunny dance....

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I dont think there is a single privacy friendly EV on the market.

If a Canadian company could build and export an EV that wasn't loaded with invasive sensors and where the data recording and uploading was opt-in (or non existent), loads of US Americans and Europeans would import them from Canada.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think you can expand that to all cars, not just EVs.

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[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 month ago (12 children)

Canada has the same incentive to not open the door to Chinese EVs that the US does.

Why would they shoot themselves in the face just to splash some blood on someone else?

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

That feels like "robbing Peter to pay Paul". We don't want to be dependent on either nationalist autocracy.

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[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Ban the fucking things.

Offer loan forgiveness to any Tesla owner. Tell musk to fuck off.

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Why would Canadians want cheaper EVs that may or may not be reliable when they can have American assembled ones that are more expensive and may or may not work?

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago

I hope EVs don't get a bad name out of all this. EVs are one of the few good things to come out of the last decade or so.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Why just a tariff? Just ban all Tesla vehicle imports and all sales of new Tesla vehicles. For owners of existing vehicles they should be offered a generous buyback and equally generous loan terms for a new or used car. That would encourage most Tesla owners to trade-in their vehicles.

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Yes, more Chinese infrastructure, that phones home and can be turned off remotely, with a switch, is definitely what the West need.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 month ago (20 children)

and thats any worse than US tech because?

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[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 13 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Haha yeah sure, unlike Tesla that has already remotely locked (and unlocked!) vehicles at their whim.

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[–] Septapus@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago

The world needs to tariff ALL elon companies and move away from American products/offerings in general. We need something to replace AWS in the worst way. The world needs to remember the corporations foreign and domestic that helped faciliate this and freeze them out because if they do it here in the US they WILL do it in your countries too. Toyota helped fund 1/6 for example. I will never buy a toyota because of it and elons companies will never get any patronage from me either.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Please please please...BYD is making super cheap Tesla killers. I'd love to get my hands on one.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Seize all Musk and Trump-owned assets.

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[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

now canada needs to invest in proper public transportation, so in the future people wouldn't need to buy a car just for day to day life.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

$15k EV... Yes Please!!!

Nah you wouldn't want one, they're bare bones.

Okay, add $5k worth of options = $20k EV... Yes Please!!!

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