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First I would like to provide some context for my question. I live in a suburb in a "flyover state" and also see wealth inequality as the problem to solve for. For more information on why I feel this way, see just about any video by Gary Stevenson: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXuOBKrmFYbKytq9mkcd62sJPb6w12vpU.

I think it is safe to assume that in the next 4 years, wealth inequality will not be addressed even verbally at the national level. I suspect most states will not attempt to address this issue either. I think suburban city councils are absolutely an option for near term changes and could even be a perfect place to start. I think the odds of a major company or billionaire showing up to protest any local changes in a smaller town are relatively small.

I propose that we as a society should be able to attend a city council meeting and suggest legislation similar to the following:

Any single family home owned by either a company or an individual who does not live in the same state should have a large property tax applied to it.

My thinking is that no company should ever own a single family home (if you're a builder making a new home give them a window of like 1 year to sell it or something similar). If there are companies owning homes, they would be incentivized to sell the property. Large numbers of properties being dumped by businesses would lower housing costs locally. This would in turn lead to more locals having money to spend (hopefully locally, but you never know). I think the locality of their spending should probably be emphasized in a sales pitch to a city council. Businesses who refuse to sell will be paying large local taxes that the city could spend on the countless things that a city needs to operate but is currently underfunded. I guarantee you the local government has projects they want to do but can't afford. Here is their solution. I do think that if businesses are refusing to sell, that means they are charging tenants the increased tax, and the property tax was set too low. The tax has to be high enough that businesses sell the property or else I don't think this works.

The number of businesses or individuals affected by this new tax is probably really low for any given city. If you imagine a small town there are only going to be so many companies owning single property homes (less than 10?) same story with wealthy out of state home owners (less than 20?) The total number of homes in the area is going to be much larger though so there should be a sizeable and noticable impact. I use out of state as the qualifier for individuals as it is pretty easy to ask for a local driver's license as proof you live in the state, and to my knowledge states don't let you carry IDs from multiple states. You only live in 1, you only have 1 ID, and you always have it with you so it should be easy enough to enforce.

People/businesses who don't comply could have their property foreclosed on, then auctioned off to a state resident with proceeds again going to the city. I think the pushback would be that this is anti business. To which I would agree and say yes, businesses have no business owning single family homes, that is what citizens do. These citizens will have more money to spend locally which will attract more businesses and pay more local taxes. Money from local citizens going to major businesses who pass earnings on to investors is how local money gets exported out of the community and is not business we want owning our homes. It also diminishes the ability of locals to spend at local businesses.

My hopes is that Lemmy can help poke holes in this plan and provide solutions to the holes. Perhaps you see a better way to present this idea. Perhaps better ideas are proposed. Perhaps you see a smarter solution. Something needs to change, and I want the best odds of successfully bringing about change for the better. I want my kids to be able to buy a house some day. At this rate, that won't happen. We need a solution, and maybe this is a start.

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[–] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tax unrealized capital gains on a generous progressive scale instead of maintaining a realized gains tax.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I get where you’re coming from but that’s only even possible with publicly traded companies and even then, it’s got issues.

Some private companies have valuations — like if you raise a round, you set a valuation and hope people invest at that valuation — but the initial investors can’t sell their shares to pay the tax on unrealized gains.

But that’s only with startups, the best case scenario. Small businesses might have investors that are friends and family. Like, say you help a friend open a restaurant with a $10,000 investment. The restaurant becomes popular. Maybe your chef friend even wins prestigious awards. Now, it’s April 15th and you’re supposed to know what the restaurant is worth? It’d just be a wild guess. The IRS would have no idea either.

If you just did that with publicly traded companies, there’d be a market crash every April as everyone sells their shares to pay their taxes. Whoever filed their taxes last would have less unrealized capital gains compared to those who did their taxes early before all the selling.

So, anyway, to my mind, the concept is morally fair but unworkable and we’re stuck taxing realized gains.

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[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

by giving the workplaces back to the workers. tax the rich by eliminating their profit and redistributing the fruits of labor where it belongs.

the Argentinian example is extremely inspiring for workplace self-management:

if you prefer podcasts, here's an episode on Fabricas Ocupadas (occupied factories).

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anarcho-argentina-one-year-on

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/jose-antonio-gutierrez-d-workers-without-bosses#fn10

[–] CMLVI@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They love to use him as an example of govt cuts to services to "stabilize" spending, but will also ignore the mechanisms by which people are pulling themselves out of poverty.

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

who are you talking about in particular?

[–] CMLVI@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Javier Milei and his massive govt cuts. It's also losing a lot of nuance in Argentina's situation vs the US, so even before direct comparisons start, issues arise. But the more well-aware GOP people I know are decently big fans of his tactics of large govt cuts to reduce overall spending.

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

what does he have to do with the 2001 worker uprisings? this is a different political movement

[–] CMLVI@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Apparently nothing, my fault for commenting and not clicking through links and assuming it was referencing current Argentinian changes.

How has this held up in the current Argentinian landscape, if I could ask? Are they still going along the same path with regards to worker ownership or has that changed since the early 00s?

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago

I didn't look into that yet but I assume the leftist parties probably convinced some to pacify

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

He's a heavy duty guy! I sure do recommend.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago
[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

By adjusting the social security threshold.

[–] gon@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'd like to preface my comment by stating that I'm not American and have never lived in the US, so my knowledge of how stuff works (IDs and whatnot) is null.

That being said, surely there's records for these things. I really don't think that there needs to be a check for IDs at any point, on a personal level, because this information should be available either in the deed, and everyone's IDs are in the electronic systems at the state and federal level. So it's not that what you said about IDs is wrong, more so likely unnecessary, in a practical sense.

However, I do think there are a few problematic things here.

  1. Your definition of "live in the state," which you didn't provide.

Say I work in NYC, NY State, but I'm originally from Vermont. I own a home in NYC and a home in Vermont. Where do I live? Mostly in NY, but I spend my summers in Vermont. What if my husband is from Maine, so I also own a home in Maine that we go to every couple of years to meet his family? What if my son lives in South Carolina, so I own a home there to go visit him? What if I own the home, never go there, but my son does live there?

These questions


and other questions in a similar vein that I couldn't even think of


need to have a clear answer, if you want this sort of legislation to be applicable.

  1. Living in the state and owning several homes as an individual.

If I live and work in Vermont, but own a whole neighborhood, what then? I'm a citizen of the state, I live in the state, I do it as an individual and not through a company. I don't see anything in what you wrote that indicates this would be a problem, but I think it is a problem and should be encompassed by legislation of the sort you suggest.

These two points, I believe, highlight the fact that living in a state is a really bad indicator of whether home ownership is beneficial. I think the primary indicators should be legal status


company vs individual


and maybe something like the percentage of available homes. As in, a certain percentage of available homes is allowed to be owned by companies or individuals for non-living purposes. That could work as a sort of cap on how the market can be manipulated by speculative real-estate investment.

  1. Not everyone's a buyer.

Not everyone wants or needs to buy a home. You want your children to be able to buy a home, great, but what if they simply don't want to? What if they want to rent? If they move to a different state but don't think of it as a long-term or life-long place for them, they might not want to buy. They need to be able to rent from somewhere, then. Of course, if more people can buy, more people will own, and more people will be open to renting it out. However, this is a difficult proposition, I'd imagine. Renting isn't a bad thing, it's about how controlled it is, how regulated it is, and who ultimately benefits from the system.

If you're gonna force large rental companies to sell their properties, you need to have a clear plan as to how the tenants can find other places to rent from. Again, there are a lot of people that rent not because they can't afford to buy, but because they find that to be the best option for their particular situation. I think some kind of state or local buyback program could be good, and would allow the state to offer low-cost housing for many people, effectively flipping the rampant market speculation into a social service. Another thing could be to cap rent, I believe rent-control is a measure that already exists in some places. For example, if companies don't want to pay the extra taxes, they would need to fulfill a certain quota of rent-controlled tenants. Something like that.

I'm just spitballing here, but I hope my input could be of some use to you!

[–] whirlpoolbrewer@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

First, thank you for the thoughtful and detailed comment. It was really well thought out and really hit on some excellent points. This is the feedback I was hoping for. I'm a software developer by profession, not someone who writes legislation, so the whole proposition is basically spitballing until something usable comes out.

You make some really good points and I agree with them for the most part. I'm going to sit and think on this some and get back to you after I've had some time to digest it more.

[–] Fedditor385@lemmy.world -4 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Interfering with the housing market in that way will make companies build and sell less houses, because the business becomes more risky, so by keeping the supply low and demand high, they can make sure they will always be able to both sell the home in the required time frame, and with the profits they want. Or in the end, higher prices for consumers. Good luck with that.

As for rich people in general, most of them, AFAIK, actually built their wealth from ground up. Ofc their kids will inherit it without absolutely doing nothing, but that is nobodys fault, the parents want the best for their kids, and the kids would be stupid to go work some shitty job if they can afford a jump-start by for ex. buying and renting properties with parent's money. In the end, someone did work hard to make it happen, over multiple generations sometimes.

Also, most people are simply financially not literate. They have no idea how the financial system works. If I buy a stock today, and its value increases by $10 in a day, and I sell it, I made $10 out of thin air. Try to explain to people how money gets created "seemingly out of thin air". Most people will simply ignore it even though stocks are the one and only thing that rich people have that makes them rich. Everything else they own, like houses, yachts, cars etc... they are running costs that actually make you poorer. People who understand money make money. People who can pay people who understand money to manage their money make money.

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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

Tax the practices, not the existence.

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