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[–] PorradaVFR@lemmy.world 97 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Of course he could have done that step first but instead another damaged and armed asshole imposes his demons on others and inflicts grievous pain on dozens of families before offing themself.

Yet another in a long list of isolated incidents because after trying nothing we’ve run out of ideas.

[–] Lev_Astov@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's not like we've tried nothing; he should have been dealt with when he made threats, but the police don't want to act on the laws we have in place. They want to wait until a tragedy happens so they can feel like they're being heroes, apparently.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

police don't want more stringent gun laws because tons of them beat their wives and they'd be disqualified from carrying guns

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I suspect they’re also worried we’d take away all their fun toys if the threat of constant gun violence wasn’t there.

[–] bmsok@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The US has both a gun problem AND a mental health problem. We need more immediate access to long term healthcare.

The addition of the 988 hotline is an ok start but mental health issues are still demonized and have limited resources.

Tragic underfunding + stigma = tragedies

Everyone check in on your friends and loved ones, too.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

the hotline is a copout to help people ignore the systemic problems fueling depression epidemic

[–] bmsok@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Oh the whole thing is definitely a broader socioeconomic and societal issue, for sure. That's why it's a crisis line and not a therapy line.

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

stigma

You're adding to the stigma by blaming this fascist terrorism on people with mental problems.

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2021/04/ce-mental-illness

[–] crashoverride@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

But let's be clear here, this guy did not do these things because he had a mental health problem. Dude had a plan, a really complex one, and had extensive training in the army to carry a plan out like this , to avoid being captured and to cause as much damage as possible. If he was just suicidal, he would have just offed himself instead of 22 plus other casualties he caused. Do not blame on what he did on his mental health problem and failure to get it sorted

I blame it on society as a whole, the failure to take away his guns whenever he checked into a mental health place, and for failure to take care of his veterans.

[–] bill_buttlicker@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't think you kill 18 people without a mental health problem.

[–] AkumaFoxwell@feddit.de 9 points 2 years ago

Problem is lumping in his problems with other mental health problems that are nothing like his, worsening the stigma.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Let’s be real. The only way this stops is when enough republicunt politicians see their own children murdered in such incidents.

[–] drislands@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago

Not even then. They'd try to increase militarization of the police instead.

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[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Time for the usual political debate to run it's course and nothing to happen, because any change to the conditions that generate this violence run against capital interests.

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[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Multiple law enforcement sources told ABC News that Robert Card died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Sources told CNN that he was found dead in the woods near the town of Lisbon.

Better that than taking further life.

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago

So he didn't want to get brains all over HIS house, but was happy with killing a bunch of other people. What a shithead.

[–] ArugulaZ@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

His whole family was of a similar mindset; better put a laser focus on their activities, because you know they'll be next.

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[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

This was a good guy with a gun...until he wasn't.

[–] Sho@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

...and the trash took itself out.

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