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If there's no remedy for an immigrant, then there is no remedy for a US citizen either.

I'll note that the Trump administration is using taxpayer dollars to keep people in this prison in El Salvador.

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[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This should absolutely scare the shit out of literally everybody.

You can literally be disappeared into an El Salvadoran prison, with no charge or due process, and even on the off chance that there is someone willing to fight on your behalf while you rot in a foreign prison, the courts are literally powerless to do anything about it. The Trump administration is literally saying that yeah, they may send some people who aren't actually gang members down there, but if there's a mistake, that's your problem.

And even if Trump does ask for your return (spoiler alert: This will happen exactly zero times), the Salvador government may not even play ball. They may not even know which one of the tens of thousands of prisoners there he even is. And that's assuming you haven't been killed by one of the literally 79 other cellmates you have or you haven't died of some kind of disease due to the conditions there in the process.

If you for one second think that this won't eventually apply to US citizens or Trump's enemies, you haven't been paying attention.

The courts are doing nothing to stop it. The GOP have bent the knee. And what's worst is that a not-insignificant portion of the population is welcoming this with thunderous applause. But this is the world we live in now. Cross Trump, and he will find someone to say that you're a Venezuelan gang member and have you shipped off to El Salvador where you will never return no matter what kind of money and resources you have. This is the United States.

The rest of the free world needs to start cutting ties with the US. Because it's only going to get much, much worse from here.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Why would the free world cut ties with the United States? The free world has ties with the China and Saudi Arabia. It had ties with Russia until a couple years ago… The free world doesn’t care about morality, only interests.

[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 76 points 2 days ago

That’s the problem with the removal of due process. The facts don’t matter. Being accused makes you guilty and subjects you to the maximum penalty under the law.

If you think the Trump administration isn’t going to extend this to LGBT people next and people who disagree with their policies after that, you aren’t paying attention.

[–] bingBingBongBong@lemm.ee 21 points 1 day ago

Call it what it is, concentration camps.

Fuck trump

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 81 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Oopsie we fucked up your life... Sowwee!

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 73 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And the excuses were really thin. Among other things:

  • Tattoos of crowns and clocks
  • “I love you” symbol in sign language,
  • being in the same area as a law enforcement target
[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

It's real Nazi science, this identification of criminals by skin colour, tattoos, and gestures. Perhaps they should study head shape too. Anyway, trigger their Nazi spidey sense and you'll be kidnapped and trafficked into permanent imprisonment and slavery in a foreign country where you have no legal rights. They don't have to prove you did anything. And half the US population will cheer because they can't imagine it will ever happen to them.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah. There are some gangs (eg: Police gangs in Los Angeles) which do use tattoos to identify themselves, but not all gangs do so, and most tattoos are not gang-related.

[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

ICE are not taking any care about what the tattoos are. There was a story of someone being sent to prison in El Salvador because they had an autism awareness tattoo, which looked a bit pride-y because it was rainbow colored. If they don't like the look of you they'll find an excuse. Nazis are like that.

Meanwhile the utterly incompetent Secretary of Defense has white nationalist tattoos all over him and that's just fine with them.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Now is the time to start standing up for each other

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's worse than that.

Oopsie, we fucked up your life. Too bad. Sucks to be you.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Try to be more white next time.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 5 points 2 days ago

No take backsies.

"Mistakenly"

Just like the innocents murdered by the death penalty?

Party of cruelty at its finest.

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

this is basically the plot of the movie Brazil

[–] Cgers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

Kafkas The Trial is less fictional every day

[–] regrub@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Oops. Looks like they sent the wrong person to a concentration camp and now can't get them back

and now can’t get them back

That part is very, very purposeful.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They can absolutely get him back, these are just games for the courts.

[–] regrub@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Somehow I doubt the quality of bookkeeping for the El Salvador megaprison will make it trivial

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I didn’t say it would be trivial but this is the US government. They can absolutely achieve this if desired.

[–] Zxq@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

Guy might already be dead if the right prison gang noticed him.

[–] Lawyerator@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

Well, fuck the Trump administration, but also: fuck El Salvador.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The courts should order Hegseth, Gabbard, Waltz, Vance or Trump to go find the guy in the El Salvadorean prison themselves.

[–] Zippygutterslug@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Those dumb assholes couldn't find their way out of a Wal-Mart.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wonder how many people are going to become terrorists because of this treatment?

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

the giant hemorrhoid-in-chief has already cultivated a whole new generation of american-hating terrorists.. that was last time. this time around, it's just reinforcement for them to expand their numbers and sustain that hate for generations-yet-to-come.

[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

How long until this administration starts doing Pinochet helicopter tours?