Where have you heard about this nonsense law?
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EU is making a new law which makes your IP the same as (something similar to) your social security number
no they're not.
the EU ruled that IP addresses are personally identifiable information (PII) for the purposes of GDPR compliance EIGHT YEARS AGO. this means that internet services cannot store your IP address without your consent and explicitly telling you why they need it, they have to delete it when they're done with it, and if they are to be stored in any way for aggregate data then it needs to be anonymised so that it can no longer be associated with you.
any change to associate IPs with you would break the GDPR.
They are actually working on a simplified GDPR version. Nothing good into the pipe.
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Yo, 2 things:
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I too heard that about Greece, but I couldnt find any article about it, only stuff I heard from others which they probably read them on FB. Do you have any (reputable) article coverthing this? I just considered those roumors it as fearmongering and moved on.
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Yo, since I haven't seen you around, just to know, we have a sonewhat active greek community at https://fedia.io/m/Greece
Hey, thanks for the heads up on the Greek community, I'll be giving that a visit for sure. Also yes, I can find articles that are trustworthy but they are all in Greek, sadly xD. I might look again sometime though, will let you know!
but they are all in Greek
Haha sure, send me the greek ones, μπορω να τα διαβασω:)
[Btw, I'm not a lawer, just because my comment is long don't consider it correct:)]
Tl;dr: From what I understand, they're gonna ask the internet providers (though it might also include vpn providers, streaming services etc.) any info about you that they consider necessary (so you could assume anything they have about you). So my opinion is, if you have a proper vpn that follows the zero-trust model, it should probably protect you. The main new thing here is that it has become illegal to consume pirated media (instead of only sharing them).
In the article you posted, there's the governmental announcement too:
https://search.et.gr/el/fek/?fekId=777704
From the article you posted:
Όπως διαβάζουμε στο σχετικό νόμο: "Αρμόδιες για τον έλεγχο της εφαρμογής των διατάξεων του παρόντος νόμου και την επιβολή των προβλεπόμενων κυρώσεων είναι η Ανεξάρτητη Αρχή Δημοσίων Εσόδων, η Γενική Διεύθυνση του Σώματος Δίωξης Οικονομικού Εγκλήματος, η Διυπηρεσιακή Μονάδα Ελέγχου Αγοράς, οι Αστυνομικές, Λιμενικές και Τελωνειακές Αρχές, οι οποίες μετά τη διαπίστωση της παράβασης, ενημερώνουν τους δικαιούχους μέσω του Οργανισμού Πνευματικής Ιδιοκτησίας. Για τη διαπίστωση των διοικητικών παραβάσεων της παρ. 2Β και την επιβολή των διοικητικών προστίμων επιτρέπεται από τις αρμόδιες δικαστικές αρχές η διαβίβαση προς τις αρχές του πρώτου εδαφίου, των αναγκαίων στοιχείων για την ταυτοποίηση των παραβατών, τα οποία συνελέγησαν και περιέχονται σε ποινική δικογραφία που σχηματίσθηκε κατόπιν άσκησης ποινικής δίωξης για τα εγκλήματα του άρθρου 66. Αντίστοιχα, οι αρχές του πρώτου εδαφίου δύνανται, με σκοπό τη διαπίστωση των διοικητικών παραβάσεων της παρ. 2Β και την επιβολή των αντίστοιχων κυρώσεων, να ζητούν από τους παρόχους της παρ. 10Α του άρθρου 66Ε, οποιοδήποτε απαραίτητο στοιχείο για την ταυτοποίηση των προσώπων που παραβιάζουν τα δικαιώματα της παρ. 2Β".
I couldnt find what is defined as providers in Paragraph 10A from article 66E (this should be stated in pages 583-585)
From what I understand, they're gonna ask the internet providers (though it might also include vpn providers, streaming services etc.) any info about you that they consider necessary (so you could assume anything they have about you). So my opinion is, if you have a proper vpn that follows the zero-trust model, it should probably protect you. The main new thing here is that it has become illegal to consume pirated media (instead of only sharing them).
It's a lifestyle, not a way to save money. I pay for piracy related tech more than a netflix subscription costs.
This. I don't do much but I have spent $1,200 on HDDs alone. Then there's the true saviors of the internet with hundreds of TB, even PB of backed up, virus-free content
I don’t do much but I have spent $1,200 on HDDs alone.
this might interest you when its ready in a couple months. this is exactly the issue its working toward resolving.
EU is making a new law which makes your IP the same as (something similar to) your social security number and they say piracy is going to receive a huge blow.
Sounds like an April Fools joke.
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You need to pay for a VPN. It's like a condom for the internet. Frankly, stop trying to avoid something that you should already be using.
Mullvad is a good start. Go purchase it.
Didn't mullvad stop port forwarding? That ain't great for seeding.
Yes, Proton VPN is a better option if you require that feature.
Or AirVPN.
I believe Private Internet Access also offers this feature if people need a cheaper alternative, although it comes with tradeoffs regarding trust and ethics.
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I would simply use something a little less fishy and cheaper AirVpn you can pair over there also with montero and some other crypto
The majority of their servers support port forwarding. "Only available on paid tiers" is a completely meaningless crticism, because a) you wouldn't use a free VPN for torrenting unless you were an absolute moron and b) very few VPNs support torrenting in the first place because it requires so many resources. If you want a good VPN with port forwarding, you need to pay for it. Nothing about this makes Proton VPN "fishy".
You can keep on seeding after downloading and your torrenting program will still manage to upload to any member of the swarm for that torrent that it connected to (even if only to check their status) during the download phase.
This should be enough to get you consistently above a 1:1 upload to download ratio for any popular public torrents, though for those with very few leechers you might never get there.
The lack of port forwarding is only a problem for remote machines your program has not connected to during the current session for a torrent (i.e. not yet seen machines that try to connect to your client), which means you can't seed at all in a purely for seeding session or upload to machines that joined the swarm after your download was done in a mixed session.
If your pattern of usage is that of mainly a downloader of public torrents who tries to give back to the communy at least as much as they took and whose not mainly into obscure stuff, it works fine.
You are not exactly right, but going in the right direction. Not having a forwarded port means you aren't 'connectable' by peers as your firewall will block incoming traffic. What this means is that only 'connectable' peers will be able to connect to you (your client can reach out to them as their port is forwarded). You are however invisible to peers that also aren't 'connectable'. You might also experience some degradation in time to connect as people can't reach out to you.
To sum it up:
- Not connectable =X= not connectable (impossible)
- Not connectable =>= connectable (degraded time to connect when seeding)
- Connectable === connectable (perfect)
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Do you have some source for this IP thing in the EU? I wasn't aware of any new privacy laws.
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Seedboxes go from €2 to €100+ a month depending on how much you will torrent and how much space you need on the box alongside other factors. My personal choices are Gigarapid and Ultra but there are others
Try Tailscale.
EU is making a new law which makes your IP the same as (something similar to) your social security number.
If that's true, then even VPNs won't help. Not sure how they will implement such a thing, but it's obviously to protect the children !
There's also the I2P network, which is similar to TOR but with torrenting in mind and other nice tools and utilities ! However, it's slower, has less traffic/seeder and don't even bother to try and find some older movies/music or hidden gems.
It's getting better and some applications, like qbittorrent, are adding the i2p network. In the near future, when they have protected the children, I2P will be the place to be for a free and open Internet. However, you will probably be tagged as criminal...
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Free vpns sell your data. It’s why they’re free. Processor cycles and bandwidth cost money so if you want someone to use their processor cycles and their bandwidth to encrypt and route your traffic through their servers without clandestinely peeking, and using lawyers and advanced security techniques to ward off the police, you gotta pay them.
In order to seed torrents you need to have a port on your vpn endpoint that is accessible to the internet and gets passed to the computer running your BitTorrent client. This is called port forwarding. There are only so many ports, so a vpn provider that offers port forwarding will probably charge more and you might not be able to get certified hood classics like :42069 because someone is already using it.
I use airvpn for torrents but depending on your European country you might not be able to. There are other port forwarding vpns. The cost is cheap, most come out to less than $5 a month.
Most let you run multiple devices at the same time so you might have your computer at home torrenting through the vpn while you’re away at work browsing porno on the toilet connected to the vpn which lets you get past the work content blockers.
So… just pay for a port forwarding vpn.
I use airvpn for torrents but depending on your European country you might not be able to.
Why would it not be an option in some countries? Are you saying it's illegal or impossible to encrypt any traffic through a VPN while being in some of the countries, or what's the matter?
I remember a while back the European country air is incorporated in passed an anti vpn law to prevent people from using them to stream soccer games (?). In compliance with the law, air said it wouldn’t offer services to people in that country.
So depending on what country the op is in and how the company is complying with the law, airvpn might not be an option.
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I use Tor to get magnet links and feed them to my clearnet torrenting client, no issues so far and the ISP would have to breach my privacy to provide my IP.
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