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ID: WookieeMark @EvilGenXer posted:

"OK so look, Capitalism is right wing.

Period.

If you are pro-capitalism, you are Right Wing.

There is no pro-capitalist Left. That's a polite fiction in the US that no one can afford any longer as the ecosystem is actually collapsing around us."

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[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 months ago

jesus christ these comments are terrible

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 1 points 6 months ago
[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Capitalism is the fundamental belief in private ownership. That I can own a factory, a store, a restaurant, and therefore be entitled to the profits produced from them. Modern capitalism is inextricable from consumerism, from business, and from stock exchanges.

Capitalism is any resource or good harvested or produced that is not shared by all who produced it. Capitalism is the idea that some labor is more deserving of the fruits of production than other kinds of labor. Capitalism is violence against the working class. Capitalism is the means by which a new ruling class was created over the past 200 years that presently controls the entire world while utterly ravaging our environment and wasting more resources than we literally every could have thought possible.

You are NOT a leftist if you support capitalism. You are ANTI-WORKER if you support capitalism. If you want to support workers and if you want to support progressive leftist causes, ORGANIZE. Join your local anarchist community. Agitate, push leftist politics. Start mutual aid networks for vulnerable workers in your community. Support unionization efforts. Support striking workers. Participate in civil disobedience. Show up at protests. Organize demonstrations.

The world has never been changed by accepting the crumbs they threw at our feet. It was changed by those who refused to bow their heads. By the communities who resisted oppression and fought for their fellow workers. By people who fought for us all to live better lives. Count yourself among them.

[–] rickdg@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

News flash: most democrats are very much right-wing.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is why Biden was centrist at best

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago

Biden is a right-winger. Liberalism is right-wing, and has never been anything else.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think it’s important to clarify that markets and the use of money are not exclusive to capitalism. Under capitalism, the point of markets is to accumulate money absent of any actual project or goal, and money is the way the capital holding class keeps score. In other systems, the point of markets is to connect people who have some item with people who need or want that item and money is the means of exchange. Markets are fine for distributing excess materials and labor, once people’s basic needs are met.

Markets can efficiently allocate resources and they also foster competition. That enables decentralized innovation and optimization.

A major error of many leftists is to see markets as undesirable. There are always markets. Rightwingers often confuse an unregulated market with a free market, which is very misleading. Markets need regulation in order to be free.

Markets are fine for distributing excess materials and labor, once people’s basic needs are met

You can achieve that for example by having the market for housing and food be dominated by publicly owned enterprises.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Left and right are completely arbitrary semantic categories so you can define them however you like, as long as it has a clear and internally consistent definition.

I’ve even seen ancaps who have almost the same definition as I do but completely reversed which is pretty funny but also gives me a headache.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip -1 points 6 months ago

Being right-wing isn't even a bad thing. Problems occur if you go too far to the right.

I know its hard to believe these days but nuanced beliefs exist.

[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

It's not perfect, but it's they best we've been able to make work with so far. What he have right now is unbridled capitalism which isn't good even for those at the top because it will lead to total economic collapse. Capitalism works best under tight regulation. Which we don't have right now.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz -1 points 6 months ago

What is Finland though? Social democracy seems pretty good but still fits in with capitalism as far as I can tell

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

I get accused of being a capitalist in this community/instance for some of the most benign and unrelated shit.

I'm not.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 months ago

Keynesian economic policy resulted in unprecedented prosperity for 60 years. It ended by Reagan's trickle down supply side economics.

Seems now there's a false dichotomy between supply side economics (which is an obvious failure) and communism (which was an obvious failure).

Crazy idea, maybe we should consider using economic policy that was proven to work? I guess that makes me hated by both the "right" and the "leftists" (two peas in a pod). So where would that put me in your made up political spectrum?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

To people using this as a reason to not vote: It's going to be capitalism. You have a choice between free for all capitalism with fuck the environment and fuck the workers (GOP), or regulated capitalism with environmental protections and workers rights (Dems). If you don't vote or vote third party, you just voted for the free for all one.

[–] liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

What fucking dem party are you talking about?

[–] socsa@piefed.social -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

"Pro capitalism" and harm reduction are not the same thing. Some form of capitalist-like economics will exist until we achieve post scarcity economics. The best we can do until then is work towards that end, while also working to minimize the harms imposed by material and labor scarcity.

This is just another stupid purity test by people who care more about their own righteousness than actual action. You can call my praxis whatever you want. I don't care.

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Uh huh, Denmark is a myth i suppose.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Telling you are US American, without saying so 💩

Denmark is literally a monarchy run by a centrist to center-right government right now.

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works -1 points 6 months ago

🥱 it must be exhausting being you.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Stop. Get help. Defining things to make sure your position is the right one and the only correct position is the one that does no harm to anyone and is in no way evil or exploitive. STOP.

It is not useful, it is not constructive. While you're lecturing about who has the correct beliefs to have a place at your little left wing table, a billionaire has gotten more wealth and power. Find common ground with people who work, and who believe in working to make the world better for society. It is more important to do something beneficial than to make sure you can't be logically judged poorly.

Go help someone. Go work to improve your community. Go find common ground with the people who are doing the same.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Hey, liberal:

The fascists deliberately redefine what words mean to their idiot wage slaves as a method of stiffling dissent and controlling narratives.

The end goal is the ability to slap labels like "communist" on simpering liberals like Biden and Harris, so the brainless base knows they're free to inflict violence on them and their supporters.

Fuck off with your insistence that actual leftists play along with it instead of educating people.

It's for your good too.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

This is exactly the right thing to say here. Bravo.

[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Man where was this even handiness this last election?

DiD yOu ThInK aBoUt ThE gEnOcIdE?