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[–] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 81 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“Save the children is basically a generic statement obviously,” lead convoy organizer Gordon Berry told PressProgress. “There’s a multitude of things you could be saving them from.”

Berry says the convoy wants to save children from the “human trafficking industry,” but also from “mandating the shots to kids and kids getting sick and frigging education and all the stuff they’re teaching them in schools and the trans agenda and the math agenda, gender dysphoria – all of these things.”

Oh, so it's mostly about being an anti-LGTBQ and education hate parade, with some flat earth and anti vax thrown in.

"Trudeau’s paying LGBTQ a million dollars"

Does he think LGTBQ is like a company or secret society or something?!

“You got to save them from the whole system.”

I can understand where he's coming from here, the system clearly failed him.

[–] Dearche@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, I understand that the system failed him, or at least failed someone close to him. But what he's doing is just generally raging against the leaders and using random excuses to justify causing chaos.

There's no focus, no message. No way for anybody to respond in any way other than flat out rejection. How can you respond to something like this if when you try, it's like "okay, I understand this this this, and this. But this one and these three others are unacceptable to us. But then there's another sixteen that we can talk about. Please give us your side of the story and we can continue from there." How do you form a conversation with that?

Not to mention that he's trying to gather people from the widest spectrum he can, each with a different grievance. How do you talk when you have a dozen "I won't budge on this one thing" when each one thing is something different? Just like the previous convoy, it's just plain civil disobedience for the sake of letting out steam, no actual attempt at making change.

[–] cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago

Yeah I agree with you.

There's no actual real concern, it's just a bunch of glued together conspiracies and dog whistles.

The whole thing is gross.

[–] octoperson@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The math agenda? What are the conservatives worrying about this week?

[–] jadero@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I had a very strange conversation a couple of years ago. It seems that some people think that math is used only as a tool to control the population or something.

We were talking about something that most people would consider pretty innocuous, catch and release fishing. I mentioned that I had recently read an article that claimed that mortality among released fish was still high enough that approximately every second released fish should be counted against your limit because of the percentage of released fish that die of catch-related causes.

That lit the other guy's hair on fire. "That's math! You can't seriously think that math is real? It's all made up!" (Or words to that effect. Mouth frothing removed to protect the innocent.)

Over the course of the rest of the conversation, I "learned" that math was invented as a tool of oppression. Science uses math to create fake knowledge. Our senses are the only true sources of knowledge.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

They are anti-everything they don't understand. Unfortunately that's most things.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

How to control a population 101:

Make them only trust their emotions.

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[–] FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These are people that literally never grew up.

It's the 8 year old mentality of 'math is hard and confusing, I would rather spend the day living in my imaginary world'

What we are seeing now is the temper tantrum that happens when someone challenges them to leave their comfort zone.

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[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Math has a known liberal bias.

I expect they'd be upset about arabic numerals if they knew that's what they're called.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 72 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So a bunch of closet pedophiles are organizing another convoy to "save the children" from "groomers" and "pedophiles" which they are projecting on drag queens?

That's rich.

[–] crow@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

Yeah I’d put all these weirdos on a list.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The convoy's private Facebook group, which coun nearly 300 members, indicates that it is focused on issues like pedophilia, child trafficking, grooming and indoctrination.

Funny, they NEVER protest against churches. Why is that?

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

No, they mentioned "grooming and indoctrination".

Oh wait...

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[–] CaptainFlintlockFinn@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it wasn’t actually problematic it would be fascinating. It’s like watching a documentary about a cult.

[–] Bizarroland@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I've always found it funny that the reason why science fiction and fantasy villains are almost always such lackluster characters is because science fiction and fantasy writers have to stick within the realm of plausibility whereas real life villains are not hampered by such trivialities.

Your sci-fi villain has to have a tragic backstory where he's using the power of the universe killing machine to bring back his dead girlfriend or something.

In contrast, your real life villain is organizing a civil war militia to protect himself from enemies that he imagines existing somewhere even though he has no proof whatsoever, and all over the Western world people are proudly following these nut bags and even buying the merch.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

Honestly, is risky, but that could make for a pretty interesting sci-fi or fantasy villian, if handled correctly - but it'd be a fine line between playing it deadly straight and melodrama overload.

[–] _galactose@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the real world the biggest villains actually believe that they are good, and they use that belief to justify that everything they do, even bad things, are done in the pursuit of good. They are convinced that they are doing good and that they are pure, good people, and they don't ever feel bad.

Villains aren't like some Joker, or Dr. Evil. They are culty and give themselves a license to control and harm other people.

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[–] TemporaryBoyfriend@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago

These people are literally a herd of cats in a room with a laser pointer pointed at a disco globe.

My mother is a conspiracy theory sucker. Being isolated during the pandemic with her idiot boyfriend literally spun her around from being a compassionate intelligent woman who ran her own successful business for over a decade to literally being afraid of everything and everyone.

[–] MrBungle@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So cute of them to pretend that they give a fuck about kids or anyone outside their ridiculous worldview.

[–] Bizarroland@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like many of these people are at that point where they're trying to make themselves into a hero to shore up all of the other fundamental deficits they have in their character.

One thing that I realized when I was going through mental health issues of my own was that a lot of the core of my issues centered around wanting to be someone who was important, a hero, someone that saved other people and for me that boiled down to acting like I already was the hero and doing things that I thought of hero would do like pointlessly sacrificing my opportunities for other people who did not appreciate me or attach any meaning to it.

I realized that once you're smart enough to start meta-analyzing your own life, there is a trap for you and that trap is your internal need for importance.

When you base all of your thinking around that, making yourself into the hero of your own life, then that thinking will cause you and more importantly , the people around you, so much grief.

My only saving grace was that I couldn't convince other people to go along with my self-appointed hero worship. I imagine if I had I might have ended up just like them so really it was my own lack of charisma that was my salvation I guess.

[–] MrBungle@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

I hear ya, looking back I think went thru a similar thing in my 20s so I can understand that feeling.

It must be hard to dig out of if you're surrounded by a bunch of people who are buying in or supporting that behavior

[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would you want to employ someone that thinks trans = pedophilia?

Cause i think not and that should awnser your question.

[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago

Good point.

[–] Kelsenellenelvial@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“Save the Children” has been considered the cry of people that can’t put forth a reasonable argument for the thing they want for decades. Right up there with the people that like exclaiming “muh rights” and then either complain about something that’s never been a right, or immediately following up by trying to remove other people’s rights. I feel like using “save the children”(or similar variations) is a pretty good indication that I’m not going to agree with most of what follows.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

It's how they justify the unjustifiable. God and The Children have the same utility in the minds of monsters: anything you do is okay if you're doing it for them.

[–] StantonVitales@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

The fact that "they're trying to take away my right to take away the rights of others" never stands out as a logic issue to these people says enough

[–] tezoatlipoca@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

“Get up off your god damned couch and show some passion for this country and some passion for the children that don’t have a voice, they get kidnapped, thrown in a railcar,” McDavid told viewers of one recent TikTok video, adding that children are being “tortured, hunted down like animals by – not the elites – by the degenerates on horseback.”

Oh man, I thought we outlawed organized small children hunts. Those bourgeoise snobs in their red coats and riding britches.

Also, where would one get a railcar of children. Is that what the "Dark Web" is for?

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[–] sndmn@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago (7 children)

These people obsess about child rape 24/7. What does that say about them?

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[–] Stinkywinks@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

The world would be a better place without right wingers

[–] lifttruckoperator@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if they also started going off about the "round earth agenda" or something like that. These dudes are absolutely braindead.

[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Earth is obviously donut shaped duh

[–] radix@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I already know the trans agenda is to let trans soldiers fight, but what's the math agenda? I want in.

[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The "Math Agenda" boils down to the idea that every subject is supposedly being used to push the LGBT agenda.

This is what they are freaking out about:
https://www.maa.org/programs-and-communities/outreach-initatives/camp-of-mathematical-queeries

And this is them freaking out about it:
https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/05/12/queer-math-camp-without-the-math-n550283

[–] radix@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds fun. I do wonder what math they'll go into. As a queer person who nebulously loves math, I can see how normal conversations could be hijacked and turned into a math discussion.

Maybe that's what this will be: a program designed to pull queer teenagers together into a safe space where they can explore different areas of math guided by math pedagogy professionals. This might mean not always going the algebra-geometry-calculus direction, but rather maybe some fun probability stuff, graph theory, the traveling salesperson problem, the Towers of Hanoi, things in discrete math that could be fun to talk about.

[–] TQuid@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I can’t believe you’re just peddling this sick filth in public! Just openly embracing pedagogy and excusing the “math-attracted persons” movement! What is our country coming to?!?!!!!???!!

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[–] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Had to share a work van with one of these sort for work. I would get an hour of details on how math is just "a trick to make people believe certain things"

Also "Jews are from Saturn"

And "the chemtrails are full of microchips"

There is literally nothing you can do to sway any of their beliefs, because basic reason and logic are the enemy.

Rather, maybe we need to subvert their base instincts in a way they can turn them towards logic despite their preconceptions and inability to process basic information. Kind of like the mobile game market or unethical media companies which have free reign to influence these people for malicious self gain.

The issue is that ethical people are too upstanding to use such subversive means, which means they will ultimately lose out in our current socio-economic ecosystem

I think smart people need to fight evil with the same tools used by evil, until such tools are invalidated.

[–] theforkofdamocles@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

You just reminded me of this guy I worked with about 30 years ago. One time, pretty much out of the blue, he said “black people are from Jupiter and they’re a very war-like race.”

My dad and I were at some event with this guy. We didn’t go to events with him any more after that.

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[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, yes. The math agenda. The deadliest of all the agendas. He who masters it, masters the universe.

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[–] Bleach7297@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Get your showers ready, Toronto. There's more than 18 cowboys a-coming.

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[–] willybe@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I haven't dabbled in hard drugs, but this seems like an altered perspective.

Has he been sitting in front of the computer for a couple of years sucking on a pipe and letting flame bait reprogram his mind?

[–] StantonVitales@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

I've done a shitload more than dabble, and I assure you, it didn't end me up here. This is just people who desperately lack critical thinking skills.

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[–] phx@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Can the take the weirdos that protest weekly by the highway in my hometown with them? Preferably and not come back

[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 6 points 1 year ago

@mp3

Jfc already.

Can someone please get these people a life!

[–] Ryan213@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

He sounds like a guy I'd friggin follow. Friggin Canada, man! /s

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

As depressing as it sounds, I think it might be time to add a new entry to possible Drake Equation solutions:

"Stupid people stuck in a loop of hatred, bigotry and scientific denial kept society from moving forward fast enough to prevent destruction by climate change, conflict or lack of resources." And that's why we haven't seen any evidence of alien life. But societal evolution always follows that path.

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