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Not really. His first firing was enough to give us the picture. I don’t think you can burn the same branch twice. Well I guess Raiders did lol.
I never really understood why people put this against Belichick. It's not his job to make sure other coaches in the league are good lol.
I'd argue it doesn't, we already knew Josh McDaniel's was a failure of a HC. Just because Mark Davis fell for it, doesn't mean you should add it to the track record.
Its not a tree, its a poisonous weed
Andy Reid has the best coaching tree among active coaches. But plenty of all-time great coaches had bad coaching trees.
Belichick's coaching tree is nothing more than a bunch of sleeper cells set to sabotage other NFL teams.
McDaniel's will get hired back by Belichick to be an offensive assistant in no time.
It’s been a while since the Bill Belichick Sleep Agent theory has been updated but I’m pretty sure that we can call it debunked now. GM Bill continues to sabotage the Patriots and has for years now.
He's just the most confused of Bill's sleeper agents.
Not even just the coaching tree either. How many patriots players who balled out in NE (not named Tom Brady) went on to be duds elsewhere? Ik it’s not all of them but it seems like it happens pretty often
We didn’t need sabotaging, we were doing fine on our own without Patricia and Quinn
Probably as defensive coordinator!
And probably hired back at a discount since McDaniels is already getting paid big time.
Literally everyone knew McDaniels was a poopoo platter after the Colts debacle and what he did in Denver.
You know a tree is rotten if Bill O'Brien is the best by a mile
…nick saban
The fact that Belichick’s assistants have been dogshit at HC’ing shows how good at keeping a culture and running a team Belichick truly is, cause I doubt any of these dudes were helping out all that much.
The problem his assistants have is they try to act like Belichick, but if you don't have the history of success Bill has you just come off as an unpleasant asshole.
Hey McDaniels, I'mma let you finish but I just wanted to say that Patricia was by far the worst Belichick hand-me-down in history. You're both complete trash, but MP was trashier.
NFL head coaching records of Belichick's former assistants:
Al Groh: 9-7 (.563), no playoff appearances
Bill O’Brien: 52-48 (.520), 2-4 playoff record
Brian Flores 24-25 (.490), no playoff appearances
Nick Saban 15-17 (.469), no playoff appearances
Eric Mangini 33-47 (.413), 0-1 playoff record
Josh McDaniels: 20-33 (.377), no playoff appearances
Jim Schwartz: 29-51 (.363), 0-1 playoffs
Romeo Crennel: 32-63 (.337), no playoff appearances
Matt Patricia 13-29-1 (.314), no playoff appearances
Joe Judge: 10-23 (.303), no playoff appearances
Total: 237-343 (.408), 2-6 playoff record
Is there any NFL coach with 4+ branches who can top this steaming pile of shit?
The Flores one is interesting to me. He took over a pretty bad Dolphins team. He had one bad year with them then gave them their first back-to-back winning seasons ('20-'21) since '02-'03.
Everyone is anointing Mike McDaniel as some guru (which might be true) when he them the exact same 9-8 record they had the year before under Flores.
McDaniel is a good coach but Flores was a successful young coach by any measure and by no means deserved to be fired.
Bro was fired the day he signed
No way he was finishing a 6-year contract without getting axed
They can't all have Tom Brady be their quarterback.
only two sith, a master and apprentice, there can be, no less and no more.
why do people talk about this "coaching tree' thing as if it has any meaning whatsoever lol? it's the most ridiculous thing.
guys, bill belichick and josh mcdaniels are two separate human beings. you talk as if mcdaniels is a spawn of belichick who popped out of one of his ribs or something.
Bill's record is ugly without Tom Brady. Just saying....
Bellichicks assistants when they don’t have Brady carrying their bum ass.
I mean Bill himself contributes badly to his coaching tree without Brady. One mediocre season after another. And that’s exactly what they all copy (apart from the pre-implosion Texans)
Bill playing 8D chess to get McDaniels and Jimmy G back to NE.
You mean the “carried by Brady” tree?