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Lenovo Cuts the Windows Tax and offers Cheaper Laptops with Linux Pre-installed

At least in the U.S. and Canada, that is.

This was brought to my attention thanks to a Reddit post where a user (presumably a resident of Canada), had posted how Lenovo was shipping laptops with Fedora and Ubuntu at a cheaper price compared to their Windows-equipped counterparts.

Others then chimed in, saying that Lenovo has been doing this since at least 2020 and that the big price difference shows how ridiculous Windows' pricing is.

Cutting the Windows Tax

When I dug in further, I found out that the US and Canadian websites for Lenovo offered U.S. $140 and CAD $211 off on the same ThinkPad X1 Carbon model when choosing any one of the Linux-based alternatives.

Lenovo Cuts the Windows Tax and offers Cheaper Laptops with Linux Pre-installedLenovo Cuts the Windows Tax and offers Cheaper Laptops with Linux Pre-installed

US pricing on left, Canadian pricing on right.

Interestingly, while the difference in pricing is noticeable, your mileage may vary if you are looking for such laptops on the official website. Not all models from their laptop lineup, like ThinkPad, Yoga, Legion, LOQ, etc., feature an option to get Linux pre-installed during the checkout process.

Luckily, there is an easy way to filter through the numerous laptops. Just go to the laptops section (U.S.) on the Lenovo website and turn on the "Operating System" filter under the Filter by specs sidebar menu.

Lenovo Cuts the Windows Tax and offers Cheaper Laptops with Linux Pre-installed

Yes, it's as simple as that. You can do the same for the various official online regional storefronts that Lenovo runs to see whether Linux-based operating systems are being offered on their laptops in your country.

Closing Thoughts

It is good to see that Lenovo is offering Linux in its laptops. In fact, there is another big-name laptop manufacturer, Dell, who also does something similar with its Ubuntu-certified laptops, but both have the same constraint of having limited options for buyers.

Also, as far as I know, Dell doesn't reduce the pricing if you choose Linux instead of Windows. Correct me if I am wrong in the comments.

Nonetheless, I think these manufacturers could do a better job in marketing these Linux-based alternative operating systems to general consumers, showing them how they can save big when opting for these instead of the pricey and bloated Windows.

Otherwise, we might have to start observing Windows Refund Day again.

πŸ’¬ Your take on this? Would mainstream users benefit from having Linux pre-installed on their laptops?


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[–] Daryl@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Only on North America, you say?

pity.

For at least the last decade, Europe has been abandoning Microsoft in droves.

I suspect soon Microsoft will be unknown in Europe except as "That system they use over there."

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 points 19 hours ago

The system that should not be named!

[–] Robbity@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Then they will unironically call it the freedom OS

[–] Daryl@lemmy.ca 2 points 22 hours ago

Or the European OS.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

More manufacturers need to do this!

[–] wolfyvegan@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Some do! Or at least, they give you a choice of OS at different price points. NovaCustom, Eurocom, and AVA Direct come to mind. Of course, there are also plenty of vendors that ONLY offer GNU/Linux pre-installed...

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Free rainbow socks or no deal!

Year of the Linux desktop is here! /s

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I bought a laptop without a Windows license from Lenovo years ago. It came with FreeDOS, if I remember correctly. I wanted to install Linux, so I didn't care. In some areas they've been offering this for a while now.

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[–] theotherbelow@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 23 hours ago

A step in the right direction. If they don't offer a price difference, they can keep it.

We need better and longer term uefi/bios support as IBM/lenovo used to have systems that specifically prevent uefi Linux installs from booting.

That trust was broken then, they do not have it now.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 40 points 1 day ago (10 children)

That's great! - But. But, I hope some people check it out carefully. Some years ago, Lenovo middle-man'd the SSL root certificate on laptops so they could inject ads into Https web pages. (And spy on users? Steal passwords? Manipulate bank accounts? I hope not...)

I wonder what they could hide in an own Linux install?

[–] hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dell did the same thing - in the same year too.

You should always clean install your OS. Let the guys wanting to spy on you put some effort in.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Really?! Do you have a source? I'd like to look this up!

[–] hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-remove-dells-superfish-2-0-root-certificate-permanently/

It’s actually called eDellRoot, not Superfish though.

You can safely assume that probably every manufacturer did or still does similar thing - whether they’re caught is another story though.

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[–] aicse@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Now they need to make the BIOS updates installable from Linux or ability to flash them from the BIOS. But I like this move, hope more start doing so.

[–] polle@feddit.org 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

which is integrated into the app store on fedora, at least

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 61 points 2 days ago (5 children)

It kinda blows my mind that "no OS" isn't the cheapest option

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 32 points 2 days ago (8 children)

It's the same reason that you have to pay more to stream videos without ads...

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[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

I seem to recall in the past Microsoft pressured manufacturers to not sell computers without an operating system, arguing that unscrupulous consumers would install pirated copies of Windows on them. A ridiculous argument, but it was the excuse they used.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 74 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is awesome and I love it. Maybe they could even take a few more dollars off by not having any OS installed (bypassing the labor costs of imaging an SSD). I’ll be installing my own copy anyway, so I’m fine with a blank SSD.

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 41 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Those manufacturers where you can select either Linux or no OS don't charge extra for Linux.

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My plan is working nicely, next laptop will be a Lenovo

[–] ObstreperousCanadian@lemmy.ca 43 points 2 days ago (8 children)

2025 is the year of the Linux ~~desktop~~ laptop!

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[–] Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 2 days ago

Here in Europe it was possible to buy almost all laptops and desktops from Lenovo without OS preinstalled since long time, saved a lot of money that way. It's nice that they officially offer Linux now.

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 36 points 2 days ago (14 children)

I thought OEMs only paid like $10 for Windows?

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)

they tend to make money off it due to the bundle deals and commissions and what-not.

a major oem charging $140-200 is all profit.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 12 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Installing my own OS is half the fun of getting a new computer. Why would I want the manufacturer to install an OS?

[–] Baguette@lemm.ee 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

a nice 140 usd discount sounds like a decent incentive

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[–] lengau@midwest.social 18 points 1 day ago

Good way to check that all the parts are working before putting whatever you want on it.

[–] hellofriend@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Because laptop manufacturers don't make laptops for people who want to install their own OSes. The average tech illiterate just wants something that works out of the box.

majority of consumers don't even know how to decline cookies on websites, let alone how to install windows, or that other thing that's called limix.. or what

[–] EndHD@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

you get the discount + you can reinstall it yourself/install a different distro + it shows the general market how much of the cost is due to a Windows license and other OS alternatives, creating more informed consumers

i see it as a benefit

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[–] Mio@feddit.nu 4 points 1 day ago

I like they give the option!

Since I am dualbooting just to be able to check if it is a software issue or not in. Then i dont know what I would choose. Mainly use Linux. It is fun when I figure out the headset problem is a cable were the connections are 20 cm away from each other since it is hanging from the table.

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