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Tesla Vision fails as owners complain of Model 3 cameras fogging up in cold weather
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It's only a problem if you use your cars outside...
this post was submitted on 03 Nov 2023
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I swear I saw an article about someone whose tesla shorted out in the rain and they basically said you shouldn't have gotten it wet.
That's mind boggling. I do not understand why people continue to buy cars from that trash company. Tesla has had a long history of shit build quality/quality control. With so many EV options on the market now, there's literally no incentive to go for Tesla anymore.
What irks me about this is I own an ev (not a Tesla obviously fiat 500e) and I slog/bash that thing through mud/snow/rain/several inches of water on the regular and even do what id consider rally driving with it at times and it's fine. You know why? Because this was always a Tesla engineering failure and not an ev failure. But it sucks because people will think ev= unable to get wet which just is not true.
Neighbour in my old area got one of those "Gone to Plaid" (???) models, supposedly quite expensive. It had more panel gaps than my roomie's Golf, which was only a fraction of the price.
In fact the Golf has held up really well! He bought it second-hand for 160k, and is now looking to switch to a Miata. The dealership offered him 150k for it. He's been driving it for over a year.
Currency here is Swedish Crowns.
I was going to say, is this golf made of gold.
We’re both genuinely baffled by it, definitely not telling the dealer.
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No Teslas in the wet or the cold. Pretty soon they'll only function, most of the time, in a climate controlled area.
Lol, right? Every time there's a new article about Tesla and their issues with weather it's like reading a page out of Goldilocks and the Three Bears.
...And the Tesla said "Oooh dear this porridge is too hot! And this porridge is too cold!"
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It's like they only ever tested it in SoCal on sunny days.
Speaking as someone who lives in a wet/cold climate in Canada - many products (especially tech) are only ever tested on sunny SoCal days. It is actually quite shocking just how many products are completely unfit for use elsewhere in the world. I honestly wish it was something that was brought up more often.
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So, the only way to have anything covered under warranty is to never have your Tesla leave the indoor track which is temp/humidity controlled.
Oh how far we've advanced.
No point in doing warranty work when you don’t have a fix for the problem, this is what happens when you buy hard goods from a manufacturer that runs itself like a software company.
Can confirm it’s terrible all around. FSD is horrendous. It also has problems in bright sun and rain.
Why do people still buy Teslas? Serious question
Edit - great responses everyone. It was a genuine question & I appreciate the candor
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They don't know better
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Status symbol
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Weird obsession with Elon
- They are tech nerds and want an EV.
It use to be this was excusable. But there are a lot of options now, no?
Yeah. Wanting a Tesla 5 years ago is very different from still wanting a Tesla today, in 2023, after Elon has told everyone, in public, exactly who he was.
Elon was pretty out and out an asshole back then too. He just wasn't in the news 24/7 for being an asshole, just once every week or so.
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Why do people still buy Teslas? Serious question
I'm only answering because you sound sincere in your desire for the opinion of others. I'm not a Musk fanboy (years ago I was, admittedly). I'm not looking for a fight. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, here is mine because you asked for it:
Other EV brands are shockingly (no pun intended) behind in technology or implementation. Most other EV manufacturers are making cars today that are closer to what Tesla was making 5 or 10 years ago, including lots of design or construction mistakes with those other manufacturers. Add to that, I know the idea that Tesla cars are expensive in still in most people's minds, but Model 3 (available now at $31k USD) is one of the least expensive EVs on the road today with the tax credit from its fully domestically built battery. Non-Tesla charging infrastructure (in the USA, and even in Canada) is a joke to try to depend on it. Its also nice to be able to buy a car that supports the American workforce. A Tesla (bought in the USA) is the most American car you can buy! The top 4 "most American made cars" are Y, 3, X, and S. The number 5 slot is the Honda Passport.
Lastly, at least in the USA, buying a car from any other brand (except maybe Polestar now) means having to go through a local dealership, which is a horrible and exhausting experience. Buying a Tesla is refreshing in how transparent and low pressure the sales process is. No surprise fees, no dealer markup, no high pressure extended warranty or service plan sales.
I despise Musk's childishness and politics, but the product and buying experience tops every other EV on the market today. The other brands have need to mature very quickly. However it doesn't appear that Tesla is slowing down its growth either.
TLDR; Tesla makes the cheapest, most domestically produced, highest performance, most charging supported, best buying experience, most advanced mass market EV on the road today by a large margin.
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I bought mine in 2019 before I knew Elon is a lying turd. I bought FSD because I like tech stuff and I was doing a lot of highway driving at the time. My opinion of Elon and the car might be less negative if I didn’t feel like I got scammed out of $6000 for FSD. It’s been a good car otherwise, but I wouldn’t buy another one.
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Because they're pretty great in most ways. They are one of the most energy efficient EVs, they are the most fun to drive of all the EVs I've driven (best acceleration and handling), I love not needing keys anymore. I love being able to control my car from the app. Tesla has almost twice as many high speed charging stations as every other charging company combined. They are more affordable than most other EVs. The lane assist is better than any other car on the market. Sure Elon is a dick, but Tesla has some adults in the room making good design decisions. It's certainly not perfect but it's a solid choice if you're looking for an affordable, fun, and efficient car.
They are more affordable than most other EVs.
This is definitely not true. Teslas are expensive, and you have so few models! The Model 3 will go for about 520K here. I could get an Opel Mokka for 40k less. If I'm not aiming for an SUV but just a standard car, then a Peugeot e-208 costs 240k. I could get two of those and still have money to spare, or a base-level Tesla.
If I wanted a battleship more akin to a Tesla, I'd probably go for the Volvo XC40. A car that actually works if it rains on it, and doesn't try to murder cyclists. Or perhaps a Toyota bZ4X, since Toyota has crazy good warranty on their vehicles. If I wanted luxury, then Polestar has that base covered.
The nice thing is that these are all established and reputable companies, they've been in the business for many, many years. They're well known, and don't pull things like "well maybe you shouldn't let your car get rained on."
The affordability is probably more US centric. Because they are made in the US using mostly US parts they qualify for huge tax rebates. I got mine for about $28k which beats most of the EV market here, and is a fairly good deal even for an ICE car.
Most of the other companies you mentioned don't sell cars in the US so I can't make much of a comparison but I'm glad Europe has a better variety of EV options than the US. Seems like more companies are switching to EV every year.
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From an Australian perspective, I wanted an ev and I wanted to be able to take it on road trips. The supercharger network is the most comprehensively built out infrastructure here and frankly the only way to reliably make long road trips.
The minute they open it up to other manufacturers that advantage disappears; similarly if we had any genuine effort from any corner to build out competing infrastructure.
It's easy to shit on Tesla because, well, , but in some markets they still hold a distinct and compelling competitive advantage.
Meanwhile my anecdotal n=1 stranger on the internet story is that I've not had any issues with my model 3 so far: for me, it's been a great car. When I purchased it, the decision came down to the 3 or the polestar 2, and at the time polestar had zero service capability here: based on 12 months of driving I feel I made the right decision.
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I mean how hard is it to give us tiny wipers on them. Cmon now.
Or just heat the lenses, air force and army have been doing it for fucking decades. You never hear about an F18 TGP or Abrams commander sight "fogging up" lol
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Camera fogging has been an issue since at least 2019.. Tesla forums usually have threads from new owners surprised by this each year..
It was 100% predictable that 'vision only' would fail in these circumstances.
That is extremely funny
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