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Today i took my first steps into the world of Linux by creating a bookable Mint Cinamon USB stick to fuck around on without wiping or portioning my laptop drive.

I realised windows has the biggest vulnerability for the average user.

While booting off of the usb I could access all the data on my laptop without having to input a password.

After some research it appears drives need to be encrypted to prevent this, so how is this not the default case in Windows?

I'm sure there are people aware but for the laymen this is such a massive vulnerability.

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[–] kittenroar@beehaw.org 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

This is not that big of a deal most of the time, since you are the only person interacting with your computer, but it's worth remembering when you decide to recycle or donate -- you have to securely wipe in that case. Also bear in mind, if you do encrypt your drive, there are now more possibilities for total data loss.

Oh, fun fact: you can change a users windows password inside Linux. Comes in handy for recovery, ie, user forgot their password.

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Modern windows machines will be installed with bitlocker (full disk encryption). With manual installs it might not be.

[–] llii@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think Bitlocker isn't even supported on Windows 11 Home. I was shocked when I wanted to set up disk encryption on my wife's notebook.

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 1 points 2 hours ago

It's got like a "lite" version. You have to use the terminal to check if it's enabled but that's that Microsoft started doing in win10 home. I assume some asshat in marketing got the agreement they could keep their branding even if Microsoft gave out encryption for free.

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 2 points 12 hours ago

I have a Windows 11 work laptop, I might try it out and see what happens

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 19 hours ago

I'm happy that you're on a journey of discovery. This is not an insult. The word is partition. Someone corrected me on the spelling of something last night. We all make mistakes.

(especially with reference to a country with separate areas of government) the action or state of dividing or being divided into parts.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This is a case where Windows-bashing is hypocritical. Almost no Linux distro has disk encryption turned on by default (PopOS being the major exception).

It's dumb and inexcusable IMO. Whatever the out-of-touch techies around here seem to think, normies do not have lumbering desktop computers any more. They have have mobile devices - at best laptops, mostly not even that.

If an unencrypted computer is now unacceptable on Android, then it should be on Linux too. No excuses.

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 6 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

It's dumb and inexcusable IMO

No, it's a choice, because:

  1. History... encryption didn't exist in the beginning. Upgrades won't enable it.

  2. Recovery... try telling the people that didn't backup the encryption key - outside of the encrypted vault - that their data's gone.

  3. Performance... not such an issue these days, but it does slow your system down (and then everyone complains)

So, please continue to encrypt your data as you choose and be less judgemental on others, esp. anyone new

No excuses.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I will definitely say I wish encryption setup was a lot easier in Linux. Windows is like "wanna Bitlocker?" Done.

With most Linux installers, if you're not installing in a very default way, and clicking that box to encrypt the drive, it's time to go seriously digging. For a while.

I managed to encrypt a secondary drive with the same password on my EndeavourOS laptop, but I still need to enter the same password 2 times before getting into the OS.

I consider that a feat, and I'm not touching it for fear of losing everything lol.

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 1 points 3 hours ago

Yes, I feel your pain.

Encryption drives sound like a good idea until the subject of unlocking them comes up... and automatically unlocking the drive for the OS isn't really helping.

But, for user data, it can be unlocked automatically during login. The Arch wiki covers this.

But backup your data 😉

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Blah blah blah. Unencrypted data is the wrong default in 2025 for any OS. Linux should not be a poor man's OS.

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 1 points 3 hours ago

It depends on your use-case.

Encryption of data at rest (this discussion) is mostly helpful for physical theft, so a device that never leaves the house, there's little reason for encryption.

Similarly, on a lower powered mobile device, maybe you only want / need user data to be encrypted, and there's no need to encrypt the OS, which keeps the performance up.

Maybe you want the whole thing encrypted on your high performance laptop.

So, it's difficult to define a sane default for everyone, thus making it an option for the end user to decide on.

Linux has more choice than Windows - and the encryption algorithm(s) can be verified - so it's definitely the better choice.

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You can't enable encryption after the fact? What a backwards system..

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

For which OS?

It can be enabled at any time on Windows & Linux. It's just optional.

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 1 points 2 hours ago

It's your bullet point number 1

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Almost no Linux distro has disk encryption turned on by default (PopOS being the major exception).

it's usually an option in the guided disk partition

If an unencrypted computer is now unacceptable on Android, then it should be on Linux too. No excuses.

Linux is about choice, not whatever someone else thinks it's acceptable

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Sure. But defaults are important.

[–] Bogus007@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago

Defaults are generally who do not want to understand in depth what they are doing (no offence). Example from other sphere: in R-Cran (used to write statistical models), some functions have defaults to either choose a particular algorithm or an optimisation value. I have heard almost about nobody among students, PhDs and even higher up the ladder, who took the time to understand what is happening below the shell. Instead these people took just the defaults, it worked (result was significant), done. However, if they may have chosen another algorithm, things may have turned differently, which would open up a box with many questions concerning modelling adequacy and understanding of data. It is the same with defaults in Linux.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Echoing Jubilant Jaguar's sentiment about defaults mattering, I think that sometimes an excess amount of choice can be overwhelming such that a user is less empowered to make choices about things they do care about (Leading to a less steep learning curve). Sensible defaults need not remove anyone's choice

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

I don't disagree with the premise. I may disagree encrypted hard drive by default a sensible choice

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 2 points 19 hours ago

If an unencrypted computer is now unacceptable on Android, then it should be on Linux too. No excuses.

When is the last time you carried your desktop outside? Forgot it somewhere?

[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 2 points 20 hours ago

I always turn on LUKS during install. The only exceptions are when I'm doing tests of different distros on my machine that I lovingly call "FuckAround".

It really is the best way to find out.

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 15 points 1 day ago

By the way, no different for Linux, if you boot off of USB you can mount partitions and access anything if not encrypted and linux windows, encryption is not the default.

[–] Kazel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago

Anon discovers computers

[–] Forester@pawb.social 65 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And this is why we say physical access is root access.

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Absolutely it's crazy that it's so simple that you can do it in the space of 5v minutes.

[–] Forester@pawb.social 12 points 1 day ago

You should look into HDD platter recovery. There's some really high quality stuff on YouTube.

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Aw buddy.

Go look at the free software called autopsy

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 4 points 21 hours ago

It's the same situation with Linux just a simple login only has very basic protection you need to encrypt your disk if you want to make sure no one can read it.

[–] redlemace@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Same in Linux. No disk encryption and everything is easy accessible if you have physical access.

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 day ago

Unless someone ticked the “encrypt storage”-box in the installer, you don't even have to pay for Pro to use it!

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[–] andrewth09@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Windows does support encrypted drives with Bitlocker, unfortunately Bitlocker's default settings leave it vulnerable to many different attacks.

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago

While booting off of the usb I could access all the data on my laptop without having to input a password.

This is entirely expected behavior. You didn't encrypt your drive, so of course that data is available if you sidestep windows login protections. Check out Bitlocker for drive encryption.

[–] oo1@lemmings.world 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

bookable Mint Cinamon USB stick

Does book still mean cool?

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 2 points 14 hours ago

No idea, it's meant to be bootable

[–] phantomwise@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I thought BitLocker was enabled by default on Windows 11, which is a terrible idea imo. Full disk encryption by default makes sense in professional settings, but not for the average users who have no clue that they'll lose all their data if they lose the key. If I had a penny for every Windows user who didn't understand the BitLocker message and saved the key on their encrypted drive, I'd have a lot of pennies. At the very least it should be prompted to give the user a choice.

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

Yeh. But also this allowed me to save my files from my dying windows drive while moving to linux, so sometimes giant security holes can be handy.

[–] nanook@friendica.eskimo.com 5 points 1 day ago

A secure future proof Whenblows 11 is akin to a healthy wealthy fentynal addict.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 11 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I'm sure there are people aware but for the laymen this is such a massive vulnerability.

This is only a vulnerability if you suspect a threat actor might physically access your computer. For most people, this is not a concern. There's also the issue that it has processing overhead, so it might make certain operations feel sluggish.

Encryption is not a panacea, because if someone ever forgets their password (something common for the layperson), the data on that drive is inaccessible. No chance for recovery. Certain types of software may not like it either. It's one of many considerations someone should make when determining their own threat model, but this is not a security flaw. It's an option for consideration, and most people are probably better off from a useability standpoint with encryption disabled by default.

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[–] data1701d@startrek.website 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

How old is your laptop? Pretty much every Windows machine I've ever owned after a certain year requires you to type in your Bitlocker key, including my first-gen Surface Go from 2018.

Also, you often have to manually set up encryption on most Linux installs as well - I did it for my Thinkpad. I need to do it for my desktop as well - I should probably do a reinstall, but I'm thinking of backing everything up and trying to do it in-place just for fun. On top of that, we can finally transition to btrfs.

Wink

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[–] Feyd@programming.dev 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)

so how is this not the default case in Windows?

It actually is now

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[–] Mensh123@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yup. You'll need to tkinker with Linux too if you want disk encryption. At the very least, set a BIOS password.

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