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[–] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I first read it as “careless drivers”, which there are plenty of already.

[–] tuxtey@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Thank you for pointing it out, I thought I was going crazy

[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've never understood why driverless cars are the solution everyone is obsessed with. Surely better train and bus networks would solve the issue, and then add some bike lanes (golf cart compatible for those with accessibility needs) and you'd also tackle the obesity crisis. But no, I guess that's just not quite enough 'convenience' for people.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

especially American tech bros who can't imagine their cities existing in a state where you don't need a car to exist

[–] vsg@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

And these folks will influence how AI will think...

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Well I can explain why I thought driverless cars were great when I was in highschool. A perception of cars being necessary and the idea that driverless cars solve most of the issues with cars, like accidents parking and traffic (to a degree). I only changed that opinion when I became more informed of the idea of car dependency and how it affects cities.

[–] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Ok, but what about carless cars and driverless drivers?

[–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Driverless EMUs > Driverless Cars

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

We have a lot of careless drivers tho

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Once self driving cars are perfected, car ownership will plummet.

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I already don't want 'em now. Fuck cars that're so loaded with tech, you can't do shadetree repairs, and have abysmally bad sightlines requiring more safety tech to offset shit design.

[–] Blubton@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This may be true, but reduced car ownership will not solve many issues with cars, like the vehicle miles travelled. If we don't change our lifestyles, we will still emit a lot of CO2. Here is a Dutch graph (maybe you can translate it, otherwise let me know!) showing that only that the production of the car causes less than half the CO2 emissions for EV's (the second to last one in the graph). If we want to reduce emissions more than that, which we really need to do, we need to find something else, like biking, which is way cleaner.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cities need to be designed to be bikeable. Yelling at people to bike more while living areas that designed to kill them is unproductive.

[–] Blubton@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I completely agree with this and I would never blame anyone who doesn't bike without good infrastructure. What I meant was that instead of hoping that self-driving cars will solve all issues, we should be pushing for better alternatives, beginning with improving infrastructure. Maybe I wasn't clear in my previous comment, because as a Dutchman I am used to safe bike infrastructure (public transit is not so great). To summarize my opinion: we need policies that support safe infrastructure to create alternatives to driving, because cars are never the solution to climate change. Biking should be made safe and convenient, so people will actually use it.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Sorry I didnt mean you specifically. I had the many posts telling americans to just bike more in mind when I was saying this.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

In the US, a significant amound of land and road in cities is devoted to parking, with a drop in parked cars and cars ownership, that land can be more easily repurposed to better bike lanes and denser housing.

[–] art@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

So... Never?