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Now I understand why at each windows 11 update, they introduce more bugs than ever

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 31 points 1 day ago

Government spyware finally has a challenger for the title of "primary reason that most Microsoft software runs like hot garbage".

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (2 children)

this makes way more sense than hundreds of shitty devs.

[–] toastmeister@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago

Even their AI crashes all the time, its brutal.

[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

this is why I get so much business as a IT consultant lol

[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 day ago

We know Microsoft.

Hardly possible not to noticce..

[–] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Everybody saying this is why their products are shit are really confusing me. It's not like Microsoft just started being terrible. They've been terrible for a real long time. Way before AI was a thing. This is just a symptom of Microsoft's awfulness not a reason for it.

[–] D_C@lemm.ee 22 points 1 day ago

Ok, it's like this.
Ms used to release shitty stuff. And they'll continue to release shitty stuff except now it'll be 30% more shitty.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (7 children)

There were alpha versions of windows 8 with less glaring/annoying bugs than windows 11, though

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[–] krimson@lemmy.world 375 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Horseshit.

The current state of code generated by AI is sketchy at best. I often get plain wrong answers because the model tries to derive. It comes up with calls to functions and properties that just do not exist.

"You are right, I made a mistake. Here is a better answer." Continues to give wrong answers.

Apart from that, apps that are glued together from AI generated code are not maintainable at all. What if there is a bug somewhere and you so not comprehend what is actually happening? Ask AI to fix it? Yeah good luck with that.

I do use AI for simple questions, and it works fairly well for that, but this claim by MS is just marketing bullshit.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 118 points 2 days ago (5 children)

This ^

"20%-30% of code inside the company’s repositories"

Now, if they had said "20%-30% of code written in the past 6 months..." I might buy that.

The repositories are going to have all the current codebase, likely going back years now. AI generated code is barely viable at this point and really only pretty recently.

No way 1/3rd of all current codebase is AI.

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[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 158 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

He used the words "written by software". This is ambiguous and doesn't mean AI, for example, using annotations for variables and generating the getters and setters would count. Right click and create function body for interface function definitions also.

They're exaggerating to pretend their AI is more useful than it is.

[–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Intellisense in visual studio has also been really good for over a decade. Which is technically also written by software and not me.

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[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

“Written by software” does not inherently mean AI.

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella said that 20% to 30% of code inside the company’s repositories was “written by software” — meaning AI.

Nadella gave the figure after Zuckerberg asked roughly how much of Microsoft’s code is AI generated today.

I highlighted part of the article for you.

[–] urandom@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Code generators being a prime and ancient example

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[–] Lanske@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's why their products are so crappy!

[–] phantomwise@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago

No way, they get their results through honest effort. Anyone can make crappy AI products now, but Microsoft have been doing crappy products the hard way for decades. Don't downplay their hard work !

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

What? There products have long been shit ever before AI was even a thing.

Anyone remember windows ME? I sure as fuck do.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 16 points 1 day ago

Boy am I glad not having to touch their software.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 63 points 1 day ago

That’s… not something to be proud of.

[–] daddycool@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago

Well, that explains Windows 11.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And 100% of their product names are generated by AI. No human would be stupid enough to change something's name for zero reason.

[–] russjr08@bitforged.space 11 points 1 day ago

No human would be stupid enough to change something’s name for zero reason.

Well, unless you're a product manager at Google apparently... Though with them you're lucky if its just a change of name rather than it becoming an entirely "new" thing, or just getting outright axed...

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[–] sqibkw@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Windows hate train looks fun, but as someone who works in the industry, most of that code is probably just unit tests and boilerplate stuff.

Copilot is decent at quickly writing huge amounts of mostly correct, tedious unit test code, depending on your language/framework. And since Microsoft works with languages like C# and .NET for their native apps, and likely backend too, there is quite a bit of verbosity that Copilot can take care of. Also, documentation might count as well.

No real code is AI-generated. He's just saying shit like this to keep idiot investors happy.

[–] 10001110101@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd guess it's mostly the AI autocomplete stuff. I.e. you keep on typing until the AI guesses it right then press tab to save keystrokes. LLMs are really bad at making test cases in my experience; they, ironically, can't do the simple but nuanced computations needed to figure out what the output should be given the inputs, or to recognize and test the edge cases.

[–] sqibkw@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Oh yeah it can't do anything complicated, only on simple modules. And I usually give it pretty detailed instructions on my expected I/O. It just converts a few sentences of English to dozens of lines of code.

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[–] Tungsten5@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago

Well that explains a lot

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

Code written by software doesn't mean AI unless you ignore compilers

Executives lie to boost profits and justify their decisions, I doubt MS execs even know how much of their code is AI generated just like the ad sales company exec they were talking to in the article

[–] vane@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If they start with those products today with zero marketing budged and zero user base nobody would use it. Those CEOs are just clowns.

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[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 20 points 1 day ago

This makes sense and would explain the mainline windows versioning and probably the xbox versioning too!

Microsoft to AI: List all the integers from one to eleven.

AI: 3. 95. 98. 2000. XP. Vista. 7. 8. 10. 11.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Year of the Linux desktop

(Amusing sidenote: my autocomplete's first suggestion after 'Linux' was 'propaganda'.)

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[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This only makes sense if they are counting intellisense auto complete as "AI written"

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[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago

50% of my code is written by Intellisense...

[–] Pirata@lemm.ee 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

So this explains why Microsoft Swiftkey is total dogshit now. Also why the Outlook app barely works.

Its unbelievable.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I'm still forced to use Microsoft Outlook and teams, unfortunately, and boy oh boy is it bad.

Yesterday i spent 45 minutes of a 1,5 meeting (that would have been 45 minutes) on trying teams to please try and use the right microphone, please share a screen (not working under Firefox or chrome now, apparently)

I can't wait for the day that I have some time to get us off that dog shit

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