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As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 90 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They're the biggest barrier to pretty much every political and economical issue we've got about now.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Just sharpening this pitchfork here, wondering when we’re gonna start eating the rich…

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 5 points 2 years ago

Be the change you want to see in the world or whatever

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 2 points 2 years ago

Sharpening a pitchfork? Man I'm to poor for that and have just been sharpening my teeth through my anxiety grinding.

People really do forget we are just animals with pretty good control.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 69 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Rich people would be regulated and taxed... if not for the protection of conservatives.

If you aren't fighting conservatism, you aren't fighting climate change.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

Those that benefit from corruption are unlikely to pass laws that inhibit their own ability to benefit from corruption.

[–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Replace conservatives with "government corruption" and regulatory capture and you'd be more accurate.

It takes more than just bunch of geriatric politicians to corrupt the entire state and federal governments so completely.

Amazon, Nestle, (any weapons manufacturers), etc. those are the ones in control.

And they DO pay "taxes". Trillions of dollars in tax. They're just not paying taxes to the governments in the way we want/think.

Amazon execs are probably constantly looking for ways to reduce the amount they need to spend to control governments.

Think about who benefits most from a non functional government and regulations

[–] gkd@lemmy.ml 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

YES WE FUCKING KNOW

[–] blazera@kbin.social 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So, the study theyre citing is pretty flawed. It starts with an assumption that emissions strictly correlate with income, it doesnt actually break down or analyze emissions sources. It just takes the total emissions of a country and divides that up by income. Its economic analysis. But that's not how emissions work. A million dollar car isnt gonna emit 100 times more than a 10k car. The cows for their wagyu steaks arent producing more methane than cows ending up at Mcdonalds.

The wealthy absolutely emit more through flights and boats. Someone with a private jet is likely emitting hundreds of times more emissions than a regular person. But theres not that many private jets. Ban all private jets, but it wont even register on global emissions totals.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 20 points 2 years ago

There's a ton of academic research showing the correlation between income and emissions.

There are also a ton of actions which are necessary to get to zero emissions but not sufficient. Banning private jets is one.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago

Mostly it is bigger houses, driving bigger cars, flying more to vacations and well buying more in general. We are talking about thte top 10% globally here. They are not crazy billionaires and most do not own private jets or boats.

[–] Shmandom@feddit.uk 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

TL;DR: eating one rich a day keeps climate change away.

[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago

Here's the beautiful part, there can still be "rich" people. We just need to tighten the gap. Being rich should mean you can buy what you want right now and not have to save. Being poor should be that you have to save an extra paycheck to get what you want after food shelter and other luxuries are paid for. That's it. Close the gap. How? By eating the rich. Boom!

[–] Auzy@beehaw.org 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I used to be a tradie. They absolutely are..

Many of them are doing stupid things like building massive concrete homes only 4 people live in, own MANY cars, and we even came across genuinely stupid nonsense like massive firepits in the middle of swimming pools (which aren't there for warmth, and literally just burn petrol to look impressive).

[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

https://platinumpools.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Shapiro00001-e1537458417223.jpg

Holy shit. If I fuck over the NPCs around me, I too could pretend to be a pharaoh!

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Round them all up and throw them into the salt mines. Problem solved.

[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No shit Sherlock

Edit: that's directed to the writer not op.

[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Mmm...delicious delicious rich...

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

EAT THE RICH!

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And that’s why this planet is fucking done. Or at least, humanities time on it is soon at hand.

We deserve to be annihilated, earth deserves better

[–] Damaskox@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Well, not every person out there do questionable actions (just) to get rich.
I am also happy that we are getting more and more environment-helping services.

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I as well as some other "insignificant" individuals still try to carry some light into the darkness, but it may be futile when compared to all the wrong-doings some people create...but I won't give up, nevertheless. I'll carry on, trying.

[–] DeanFogg@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

"Remember this: Try."

If only those little single celled organisms had just given up because it was too hard we could have avoided this whole existence thing. Real selfish bastards if we're being real

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 3 points 2 years ago

and the economic.

[–] AMillionNames@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

The biggest problem that we can realistically overcome is the lifestyle we have all been accustomed to, which is only going to get worse as global conflicts continue to ramp up. The pandemic was a hint, a minor preparation for it, and the results weren't thrilling. Trying to deal with the rich would be more plausible if the outcome, the destabilization of the society they've intertwined with, wasn't so certain.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 2 points 2 years ago

It's not just them, governments are also a huge fucking problem on their own even without being puppet theaters for the rich.

[–] the_q@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Shocking revelation...

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I think it's worth noting that being counted among the "rich people" (defined by the article as the world's top 10% by income or wealth) starts at a number a lot lower than most Americans (or Westerners in general) might realize: $122,100/year measured by income, or $771,300 measured by net worth. (Source: World Inequality Report 2022, page 9.) In fact, even that second figure might be (vastly) overstated, because another paper I found claims that it only takes $138,346 net worth to be in the top 10%, and $1,146,685 gets you into the top 1%! (Source: Credit Suisse Research Institute Global Wealth Report 2022, page 22.)

In other words, a Hell of a lot of those global rich people are Americans who are deluding themselves to think they're middle-class and not part of the problem. We're not talking about just Musk and Bezos and shit; we're talking about you and me. Literally, in fact: at least according to the Credit Suisse definition, I myself am one of the rich people @z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml wants to eat!